Speaking of things you can't necessarily tell by appearances, do we know for sure that Kosinski and other minor characters aren't Fabrini or Pax Roman or Iotian or Argelian or...
MemoryAlpha editor refuses to change Adira's Gender to "Non-Binary"
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Speaking of things you can't necessarily tell by appearances, do we know for sure that Kosinski and other minor characters aren't Fabrini or Pax Roman or Iotian or Argelian or...
Good point, but Kosinski did say something that appeared to confirm he was human -- or at least very strongly implied it. He said:
"In order to save time, my assistant is going to lay in my base formulas more rapidly than any human being possibly could, including even myself."
However, your overall point is still correct. Memory Alpha has many examples of minor characters (usually Starfleet personnel) who are listed as Human but it was never said onscreen that they were actually human. It seems Memory Alpha makes the assumption that if someone in Starfleet looks Human, then they are in fact Human -- even though there are other non-human species who look Human.
Just look at the variety of Admirals that have appeared on the various shows. All the ones who look human are listed on Memory Alpha as Human, even though in most cases the actual species of each of those admirals is never specified.
Granted, that's a pretty fair assumption to make, but it is not said onscreen (which seems to be Memory Alpha's criteria). Likewise, all the information we have for Adira should lead Memory Alpha to the same assumption that Adira is non-binary, even though those words were never stated onscreen.
You've done a lot of work finding that and I'm not entirely sure why.
It took maybe three minutes of searching for the word "human" in the transcript for the TNG episode Where no one has Gone Before. Another minute to copy/paste the line and write the post.
The "why" is because it is germane to the discussion that Memory Alpha lists vital information about a character even if that information was never stated onscreen.
If MA can say that Admiral so-and-so is a human even though it was never stated, then MA should say that Adira is non-binary.
Yep. Just further support of the point that the canon argument has been applied inconsistently, if not that it is being applied hypocritically.
It can also be used to argue anything you want if you nitpick it enough because somethings are never implicitly stated, but so clearly implied that it's taken as granted. It's only problem in the case of a non-binary character, but it's just canon and not just regular old transphobia in a society where transphobia was openly acceptable until about five years ago.
This whole fiasco is just making me want to start applying double-negative canon to everything. It has never been stated on screen that Spock does not have a forked penis, therefore he does. That's canon.
There's more evidence for Klingons having two penises than one. Just saying.
Is there? All I saw was two streams of piss. Can we really be canonically certain they originate from two separate penises?There's more evidence for Klingons having two penises than one. Just saying.
That's the thing about being a canon zealot like MA is trying to be. You can literally take the strict adherence to tear apart everything. After all, how much actually gets firmly and definitively stated on screen without the rest of us making assumptions based on common sense? But since common sense apparently isn't canonical...
Tuvix's penis was half forked like the typical Vulcan's, and half puffed like the typical Talaxian's.
Prove me canonically wrong.
The Memory Alpha guidelines for the description and deuteronimization of genitalia are very complicated and byzantine, having been labored over for years by the intense efforts of Top Men with extremely powerful right wrists. As I understand it, the tome is kept chained next to the Voynich Manuscript, the Fourth Rosicrucian Manifesto, and the ENT Season 5 Scripts in the lower vaults of the Vatican library.
It's canon that Klingons have redundant organs, so it's two penises. They never said they only have one penis, so that's as good as confirming it.
Every character could've been bi. 90% of the crews were never seen on screen. Garak was supposed to be omnisexual, but on screen, we only saw him have some vague affection for a guy and true love for a girl. A Bolian on DS9 had both husbands and wives. Odo merging with the male founder was just as sensual as merging with the female founder. Please do explain what linear time has to do with it
Because they’re fictional characters who were written in a time when everyone was just assumed to be cis because that’s how it was written. Especially during the Berman era which was deeply homophobic and the notion of trans people hadn’t entered the public awareness outside of transphobic jokes, curiosities on documentaries, and Jerry Springer. That’s why they made a big deal of Adira and Gray being the first trans characters, because there weren’t any before. Those characters were written before. Do I have to explain linear time to you too?
I assume it has something to do with linear time... XD
The universal translator is a racist bigot.
Jadzia always said "they", but the magic word changing mist floating around them was too basic and hateful to fully actualize what they were saying.
Seriously, 80 percent of the time on that show, they were using a Cardassian Universal Translator. There had to have been a lot of offensive problems tripping up our friends, before they finally replaced it.
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O'Brien probably added a filter to call all Cardassians "spoonheads" before Starfleet OPR made him remove it.
She was a Breen slave?
Kes was obviously a sex slave, and created a smurf like personality to cope with that trauma.
I don't see the Breen doing that?
Maybe they are too civilized to give a rapist a gun and a uniform, or maybe they just don't take those "uniforms" off for any reason even if they really, really, really want to commit sexual assault on a slave, because keeping that secret, is more important than a random orgasm.
So Ziyal was probably a virgin when she showed up to DS9, and started wooing a tailor 5 times her age.
I'm not playing this pedantic game with you. Star Trek never had LGBTQ characters before Star Trek Beyond (to a pathetically small degree) and Discovery due to the intentions of the producers who fought against it every time it came up. Unseen characters don't count, an actor playing a character as gay until he's told to stop and they give him a female love interest doesn't count, a random alien in a polycule doesn't count, aliens doing alien things doesn't count, none of it counts because they had to find it behind layers of bullshit and then go out of their way to show the audience that they weren't really gay. They couldn't even fully commit to it in Star Trek Beyond. This is an absolute failure on the part of the franchise. There were positive portrayals of LGBTQ characters on broadcast TV in the 1970s, Star Trek finally did it in 2017.Every character could've been bi. 90% of the crews were never seen on screen. Garak was supposed to be omnisexual, but on screen, we only saw him have some vague affection for a guy and true love for a girl. A Bolian on DS9 had both husbands and wives. Odo merging with the male founder was just as sensual as merging with the female founder. Please do explain what linear time has to do with it
Ditto. We never once saw Garak express romantic feelings for Ziyal, behave with romantic affection, or even kiss her back when she kissed him. Every time she expressed her feelings for him, Garak's body language would close off -- he was extremely uncomfortable with her romantic feelings for him.