MemoryAlpha editor refuses to change Adira's Gender to "Non-Binary"

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  1. DonIago

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    I can immediately think of three possibilities there, with plenty of room for more:
    1) Garak wasn't likely to be attracted to the daughter of Dukat.
    2) Garak was bothered by the age difference.
    3) Ziyal wasn't Garak's type (various ways that can be taken).

    Not that a specific reason for why Garak wouldn't be attracted to Ziyal is even needed. Sometimes people just don't click.
     
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  2. The Wormhole

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    The exact term used in Field of Fire is that the Bolian officer murdered had a "wife and co-husband" which I interpreted as meaning the wife was married to the two men, but the men were not necessarily married to each other.

    Though I'm sure all three of them engaged in orgies.
     
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  3. Court_Vince

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    I guess we're discussing this, Garak/Ziyal was a pretty flimsy "romance". Its also pretty sad that the writers seemly couldn't think of anyother ideas for Ziyal than a romance.(and then subsequently kill her off)
     
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  4. DonIago

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    I'm not sure Garak/Ziyal was ever intended to be a "romance".
     
  5. Awesome Possum

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    They should've just let Garak/Bashir happen.
     
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    One of the biggest missed opportunities of the entire series was that they didn't match Ziyal up with Jake and Nog -- not romantically (necessarily), but just as three people in their early 20s whose lives are essentially lived at the mercy of the older generation.

    Yep. Honestly I'm pretty sure the writers only had Ziyal fall for Garak to appease Rick Berman's desire to "no homo" Garak. She was basically Garak's metatextual beard.
     
  7. Court_Vince

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    Yes!! Someone else who sees the potential in those characters dynamics! I will always maintain that a Ziyal/Jake romance would've given us alot of great stories (assuming it be handled well of course)

    Given that Andrew Robinson was told tone down his attraction toward Bashir in the way he played Garak, AND knowing that Berman is known homophobe I always figured this was the main reason for Ziyal/Garak.

    I meant for my quotes to be read like air quotes.
     
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  8. DonIago

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    Ah, sorry if I misconstrued that!
     
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  9. Court_Vince

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    np
     
  10. Jayson1

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    Garak being gay makes sense but they never wrote Bashir that way so if they had explored it then it would have gone down the unrequited feelings territory and I am guessing this would have been done pretty well because it would have also played into the overall subtext about Garak being a man of many secrets. Both personal and professional.


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  11. Sci

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    I dunno man. When Bashir first told the other command staff members about Garak approaching him, there were strong "guess which cute boy talked to me in the hall between class today!" vibes.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

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    Well... If my theory about Garak diddling Dukat's mother hold's water... That might make him Ziyal's grand father... So he may not have been after a sexual relationship with his granddaughter at all, even if she was clueless about their familial connection and gagging for it.
     
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  13. StarMan

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    Hold up. Garak and Dukat were around the same age ... was time travel involved in this scenario?

    Considering the ground Trek broke in the 60's - yeah. TV's first interracial kiss. Not Trek -- television.
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    Andrew and Mark are around the same age.

    A normal Cardassian life span could be 500 years.
     
  15. Agony_Boothb

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    Dukat's beef with Garak stemmed from Garak torturing Dukat's father to death when he worked for the obsidian order. Garak sleeping with another man's wife isn't his style, but funnily enough it is Dukat's.
     
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  16. Guy Gardener

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    The book said that he slept with someone's wife.
     
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    They held hands, hugged, and kissed.
    Also:

    There was a time when you saw things differently ;)
     
  18. Agony_Boothb

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    what book?
     
  19. cultcross

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