I think what we are trying to get across, is that there shouldn't need to be a debate about it with the Admins, and there is no reason to remove Genders, or change the current Adira page, which lists them as non-binary.
'I was only following orders!'
Throwing the toys out of the pram. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And other selected analogies.
Whoops that's what I meant, 24.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Great_House#twenty-four_great_houses.3F
Only for it to get re-added a few weeks later when Discovery aired heh. Still.
Few things, 1. Does nobody else find it gross how "secondary sex characteristics" are being brought up in regards to a minor(age) character? Just feels inappropriate to me. 2. What's the relevance? Once again did any other characters have their "biological sex" brought up regrading their identity? 3. How long should we expect in terms of MA updating its policy? and 4. I think this speaks to the lack of trans & nonbinary ppl on the mod team, our insights regrading this issue probably wouldve saved alot of drama involved in this.Did I say that? Did you read *all* of my other posts, because I think I've made that clear *multiple* times.
Bluntly or not, there's some truth to that, although when I say "secondary sexual characteristics", "tiddies" are only one element of that... "For females, secondary sex characteristics include relative lack of body hair, thicker hair on the head (in some cases), rounded hips/figure, a decreased ability to generate muscle mass at a fast rate, decreased upper body strength, breasts, ability to nurse children, a menstrual cycle, and increased body fat composition." Not all of those are observable in a Trek episode, of course. Voice and pronoun usage also plays into that.
And you're absolutely correct, Star Trek *hasn't* been at the forefront of gender and/or sexual diversity (until, perhaps, now). And the current policies and guidelines *have* sufficed for many years. But, where you seem to get off track, is that we *do* realize things have changed, both in the real world and in Star Trek. And we also realize that our policies need to change to adapt to those changes. And they are changing. I'm here, talking to all of you about it, risking having my ass chewed off.
And again... I think we realized that in most cases, we have no on-screen confirmation of the genders assigned to most of the various characters, and that entered into the decision to remove gender from the sidebars.
And please drop the hyperbole... nobody is demanding certification from anyone. All we're looking for is information that meets our current acceptable resource policy rules. Those rules *may* need to be changed, but that doesn't happen overnight. It doesn't mean it won't happen, though.
Why aren't actors acceptable resource? And can't they be in this case since Adira being Nonbinary is big thing for trek, why start demanding all this extra info now?
How rude! I'd have expected better from a senior admin at Memory Alpha!
Oh of course it's possible. It's been possible all along. They just don't want to do it and are digging their heels in.
Not every article is written that way, it's very inconsistent.
So are you gonna take efforts to include them on the mod team?
So what you're saying is that you need a direct quote from a writer?
Actors have to have an interpretation of their character, but they do not always have a complete idea of their character. Here are a couple of examples. Julian Bashir's actor (and the writers) had no idea he had been genetically engineered until it became a storyline. And Jadzia Dax's actor has spoken years after playing the role, to say Jadzia was Pansexual.
? I'm not trying to argue, I just wanted hear info regrading policy from someone who enforces it.
Alright thanks for the explanation.