Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

[JirinPanthosa]

In Discovery season 1 they stopped a war by holding a planet hostage with a bomb.

What's to say somebody couldn't hold the galaxy hostage with a Burn?

 

[Fateor]

Given that Dr. Culber says that Su'Kal will no longer be dangerous once he leaves the dilithium planet, I get the impression that you need a massive amount of dilithium to be able to broadcast powerful enough waves into subspace to cause another Burn.

SU'KAL: What if it [the Burn] happens again?
DR. CULBER: It won't. Not once we take you from here [the dilithium planet]​

So the only way the Federation's enemies would be able to create another Burn is either a) capture the dilithium planet in the Verubin Nebula, or b) amass a similar amount of dilithium themselves. Also, from what we've seen, the Burn was omnidirectional, so any enemy who tried this would have to not be dependent on dilithium themselves.

You seem to be forgetting that he had no way to actually know that since he didn't have any scanning devices on him at the time.

 

[Discofan]

What is not explained though is why the dilithium on the planet wasn't rendered inert as well...

 

[Nerys Myk]

What is not explained though is why the dilithium on the planet wasn't rendered inert as well...

Because it's not being used in a warp drive is my guess. IIRC they established that only the dilithium on starships at warp was rendered inert. Which is why they went boom.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

You seem to be forgetting that he had no way to actually know that since he didn't have any scanning devices on him at the time.

He didn't need a tricorder. Su'Kal's 'power' for want of a better term was clearly linked to his being stood on a planet made of dilithium - take him away from that planet and the danger becomes null and void.

It's like you don't need a tricorder to tell you someone won't be able to shoot you if you've just taken all the bullets out of his gun.

 

[jackoverfull]

What is not explained though is why the dilithium on the planet wasn't rendered inert as well...

the dilithium doesn’t stay inert: it stops performing his function for a moment and warp drives explode, but those not actively used in warp drives are fine afterwards.

 

[Discofan]

the dilithium doesn’t stay inert: it stops performing his function for a moment and warp drives explode, but those not actively used in warp drives are fine afterwards.

Ah, Ok. I didn't get that.

 

[brandnewfan]

It was certainly an action packed episode and season but I want Discovery to have some bottle episodes where the fate of the universe isn’t at stake. I know, I know...it’s not necessarily the galaxy all the time...but every season so far has been about solving something BIG.

Like, can’t we just have some normal and low-key Trek episodes every once in a while?

Don’t get me wrong, I like Discovery. But I’d like for every season to not follow this same pattern of having a MAJOR problem that only Michael can solve.

Speaking of Michael...and again, I like her...can we have some episodes centered around the rest of the bridge crew?

 

[JoeZhang]

Like, can’t we just have some normal and low-key Trek episodes every once in a while?

Speaking of Michael...and again, I like her...can we have some episodes centered around the rest of the bridge crew?

you are after a different show - this is designed from the ground up to be a serial show which centres around Michael.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Like, can’t we just have some normal and low-key Trek episodes every once in a while?

That's what Strange New Worlds is for.

 

[Lord Garth]

I posted this in another thread in the Future of Trek forum, but it works here as well. Just bear in mind it was in the context of a discussion in another thread.

-- Cutting-and-pasting. --

DSC Season 3 had mostly episodic approach, with an overall arc in the background.

• The first episode focused on Burnham/Book.
• The second focused on the Discovery crew except for Burnham.
• The third episode was story-driven not character-driven.
• The fourth episode was focused on a new character, Adira.
• The fifth focused on Nhan.
• The sixth episode was story-driven.
• The seventh episode focused on Burnham.
• The eighth episode focused on Book.
• The ninth and tenth episodes focused on Georgiou.
• The eleventh through thirteenth episodes were mostly story-driven. But Saru and especially Stamets were put through a lot, emotionally.
• Throughout the first half of the season, Detmer had her own character-driven story in the background.
• Saru and Tilly both had several moments in episodes where they were getting used to their new positions.
• We got to see Stamets/Culber and Adira grow into an unofficial family unit.

By my count, half the season's episodes were focused on exploring a specific character. And before some "STD Hater" says something, only two of those were Burnham. The rest delved into other characters. And I listed three other character-focused storylines that weren't a main focus but were there throughout large amounts of the season.

-- End of cut-and-paste. --

Anyway, yeah. I agree that Strange New Worlds will be a better fit for what some people here want. It's coming.

 

[fireproof78]

Anyway, yeah. I agree that Strange New Worlds will be a better fit for what some people here want. It's coming.

I think so too. I think that Discovery will not ever satisfy the level of detail demanding at this point.

 

[Discofan]

I think so too. I think that Discovery will not ever satisfy the level of detail demanding at this point.

You know "Strange New Worlds" sounds like one of these old Sci. Fi. magazines, back in the days of Azimov, Poul Anderson, A. E Van Voght, and the likes.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Just watched the ep. A few things:

- In her 32nd-century uniform, Reno's wearing the wrong rank. She's a full Commander yet only has a Lieutenant badge.

- When Owo and the others wake up after almost asphyxiating, why aren't they gasping for breath? They look like they're getting up from a nap.

- During their fight in the data core, what's that thing that Osyraa pushes Burnham into?

- When Discovery's original operating system is restored, what happened to the programmable matter all over the ship? How can it work without the upgraded (i.e. 32nd-century Starfleet) OS?

 

[cooleddie74]

A programmable matter computer processor storage wall? Kind of like the isolinear chip alcoves aboard 24th century Federation starships?

 

[Discofan]

...
- During their fight in the data core, what's that thing that Osyraa pushes Burnham into?

You know what? I am still wondering about that myself. Also, why is it that Osyrra thought that Michael was done with for good when she definitely was not?

 

[Nerys Myk]

You know what? I am still wondering about that myself. Also, why is it that Osyrra thought that Michael was done with for good when she definitely was not?

Over confidence and under estimating Michael's will to live.

 

[arch101]

One more problem with the ending that has occurred to me.

They are going to report to the galaxy that they found the cause of the burn, and that it's not repeatable.

But that's not true. The *agent* of the Burn is not repeatable. But they reported that all you have to do to blow up all the dilithium in the galaxy is find its resonant frequency and amplify it into subspace. And now a lot of people are going to know that. And they are distributing dilithium to every planet they want to rejoin the Federation.

I’d hire whomever did the Earths impenetrable defense screen to do one for the dilithium planet ASAP!

 

[arch101]

Didn't Decker just go loco? And realistically, genocide of the Borg was the better answer.

Decker was suffering from shock. If he’d lived, that would have been proven and Kirk would have been cleared.

 

[Discofan]

I’d hire whomever did the Earths impenetrable defense screen to do one for the dilithium planet ASAP!

There's no such thing as an impenetrable defense. Anything that can be locked can be unlocked. The only way to prevent that Is continuous research and progress and upgrades.