Yup I thought of Armistice Station a few times........shocked it took so long for someone to mention it!
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"
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The scene between Sahil and Burnham was the truest tribute to the optimistic spirit of Trek we've seen in the Kurtzman era. I've loved Discovery and its gritty approach to storytelling since the very beginning, but man was it nice to see that pop back up, and I wouldn't hate if this season delivers more moments like that.
Overall, a resounding meh from me. Well, more a confusing mixture of things that I liked, and things which I did not.
On the positive side:
On the positive side:
- I enjoyed the change of story structure to focus on a single simple thread - the formation of the relationship between Michael and Book. As I said in another thread, I think that Kurtzman Trek has suffered from using essentially identical framing devices popular across serialized drama - the whole switching back and forth between different POVs omniscient narrator style. With the exception of the opener, this is basically told from Burnham's POV.
- I thought the episode was well done in the VFX department, and they struck a good balance in terms of introducing futuristic tech/elements and giving a sense of what was lost. Michael was basically a stand-in for audience awe.
- I instantly liked Book, and David Ajala really oozes charm as the character.
- The last scene of the episode with Sahil partially redeemed what came before, as it packed an emotional punch that was missing earlier in the episode.
- Discovery's writers still don't seem to be able to understand naturalistic dialogue. Look, I realize that Michael is a fish out of water - and as viewers we need to be brought up to speed. But the way she spoke in this episode is simply not a way anyone actually talks. Worse, a lot of it was narratively unnecessary. A good example of this is when she first crashes on the planet, and immediately starts rambling to herself. It would have been better to just have the scene largely silent and rely on facial expressions. The later meet-cute with Book also didn't read right, in that she pivots from hand-to-hand combat to begging to tag along because...the story requires it I guess? The dialogue was bad enough that it broke my immersion in the story multiple times, which is really why I couldn't just sit back and enjoy the episode.
- Separate from the writing, I don't think SMG was on her A-game here. I mean, she and Ajala are reading from the same script, but whereas his dialogue only feels a bit clunky, whereas she has many lines which cause a mental record scratch for me. She's fine as an actress overall, but IMHO has always been more suited to a supporting role, and has suffered a bit due to being paired with stronger actors throughout Discovery. Given this episode is more Michael-heavy than anything which has come before due to its structure, I feel like her limitations as an actor are even more on display than ever.
- I did not think the combat scenes were well directed in this episode. The initial hand-to-hand fight between Michael and Book was strictly bush-league, and the later firefight was confusingly shot...just a mess of characters appearing and then being instantly vaporized.
How does one get this?Not watching till tonight, but can I say how awesome this is? I will acquire it.
A solid 9 from me. Probably my most enjoyable episode of DIS yet, but then I've liked where the show has gone since the first season. Even so, this felt like a fresh new start while still building on what came before.
It's interesting that there have been both technological advances and setbacks in the 32nd-Century. No one knows what lies beyond a couple dozen sectors of each other anymore.
It's interesting that there have been both technological advances and setbacks in the 32nd-Century. No one knows what lies beyond a couple dozen sectors of each other anymore.
8/10...would watch again.
Actually, I will sooner than later. I missed huge chunks in the middle of the episode because I got a call from work and forgot to pause.
Actually, I will sooner than later. I missed huge chunks in the middle of the episode because I got a call from work and forgot to pause.
You must really struggle with a lot of Star Trek?
Speaking of the Temporal War...
...the people standing behind Rocket Girl (Michael Burnham... Rocket Girl sounds better, but Michael Burnham), could they be Temporal Integrity Agents? Or it is just assumed that they're 32nd century Starfleet personnel; or simply officials of some capacity?
Anyway, Jessie Gender has a review up...
Ketwolski doesn't yet, and Nerdrotic hates it, of course (or at least I guess he does, I didn't watch the whole thing).
...the people standing behind Rocket Girl (Michael Burnham... Rocket Girl sounds better, but Michael Burnham), could they be Temporal Integrity Agents? Or it is just assumed that they're 32nd century Starfleet personnel; or simply officials of some capacity?
Anyway, Jessie Gender has a review up...
Ketwolski doesn't yet, and Nerdrotic hates it, of course (or at least I guess he does, I didn't watch the whole thing).
Sure, if pointing out typos get you off........knock yourself out.
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Lorereloaded, who I respect but don’t always agree with, didn’t like it. Nerdrotic, somebody don’t respect at all, wouldn’t say he liked it even if he actually liked it. He’s a hate-baiting liar. Thanks for the link, I’m going to give that a watch. I like Jessie.
If you remember the 2 parter season 4 opener of 'Enterprise' it had become a full blown Time War. I assume Temporal War and Time War are the same thing but maybe they don't want to step on the toes of Doctor Who so they call it Temporal War now.
I like Book and I like Book’s cat.
i am curious what language Book is praying in and the source of his empathic abilities. At a guess, he’s some sort of alien-human hybrid. Agreed that there’s far more chemistry there between Burnham and Book than there ever was with Ash Tyler.
The marketplace and the Orion and Andorian thugs have that raggedy Star Wars bar feel that sci fi shows always seem to aim for these days. They didn’t do a bad job.
I’m curious to know what burned out all the dilithium.
Also looking forward to seeing the rest of the crew and where they end up.
i am curious what language Book is praying in and the source of his empathic abilities. At a guess, he’s some sort of alien-human hybrid. Agreed that there’s far more chemistry there between Burnham and Book than there ever was with Ash Tyler.
The marketplace and the Orion and Andorian thugs have that raggedy Star Wars bar feel that sci fi shows always seem to aim for these days. They didn’t do a bad job.
I’m curious to know what burned out all the dilithium.
Also looking forward to seeing the rest of the crew and where they end up.
ENT Season 4 threw their hands up and gave up on the Temporal Cold War after the first two episodes. But, I can see the Cold War turning hot.
Something had to have happened that would make them ban time travel. And I'd say it was an escalation that Archer wouldn't have seen, and thus we wouldn't have seen. Archer wouldn't know anything beyond whatever Daniels told him and once the 22nd Century was no longer a front in the Cold War, that would've taken it beyond the scope of ENT no matter what.
A very awake toddler at 6am made me have to delay watching the episode a bit while the wife was out running, but just got through it. It was fun. I didn't watch a lot of Andromeda (what I saw was pretty terrible), so I can't say I have a full understanding of the connections between the two (nor do I care), but I do feel some of that here. I liked the future tech. I'm hopeful that the Burn is the big universe-threatening event that we see here and that the concept of season three is more around reuniting the Federation as opposed to having the season end with such a thing. I like Book and Sahil but I'm anxious to get back to Disco. I hope that Burnham gets back there soon and that half of the season isn't spent apart. Not my favorite premiere ever but I think it does a good job of setting course literally into the unknown. I hope it continues to be fun. 8/10.
Leave the insults out please. Especially completely out of the blue ones.
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