Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[Jadeb]

I think I would like this show more if it wasn't Star Trek, just some generic sci-fi show like Rocket Girl, or Burnham in Space. Having it attached to Star Trek makes me compare it to past ST shows and that kills it for me.

I thought it was odd how casually the show had Burnham and Book butcher a bunch of people, complete with exploding bodies. The show continues to have a disconnect between the Trek values it gives lip service to and the stuff it chooses to put on screen.

I also don’t need to see anyone else burped up/spit out by an alien beast ever again. That felt very Nu Star Wars.

 

[Lorcan Kelly]

Took 3 seasons but il hand it to them that was the first episode I have really enjoyed. The ending scene hit hard.

 

[eschaton]

I thought it was odd how casually the show had Burnham and Book butcher a bunch of people, complete with exploding bodies. The show continues to have a disconnect between the Trek values it gives lip service to and the stuff it chooses to put on screen.

I also don’t need to see anyone else burped up/spit out by an alien beast ever again. That felt very Nu Star Wars.

That kinda broke immersion for me as well. Usually when Trek vaporizes someone, it's taken to be a BFD. There was a body count of what? 25 in this episode? I can understand the characters were in a life/death situation, but the direction should have treated the deaths as more meaningful than just video game characters. At least have them scream for a half a second or something.

Also, it struck me as kinda strange the weapons insta-vaporized the baddies, but Michael gets clipped on the arm but is basically fine.

 

[Muji]

I think I would like this show more if it wasn't Star Trek, just some generic sci-fi show like Rocket Girl, or Burnham in Space. Having it attached to Star Trek makes me compare it to past ST shows and that kills it for me.

Interesting. I think this is a problem for a lot of people but they're not as honest about it. If you feel it needs to match the other shows then anything different is going to be downgraded in your view, which makes it a 'you issue'; an issue to you because of your chosen perspective. That's perfectly valid when judging your own enjoyment of something and being honest about it like you have has helped me understand the mindset of some. Thanks.

For me, not only do I not think that it needs to compare with previous shows, but I absolutely do not want it to. There are massive issues with most of Star Trek, so I really don't want it to be backwards facing. I want it to modernise the franchise. It badly, badly needs modernisation in my opinion. That's not to say I don't have a lot of nostalgic love for older Trek, but I have to say - and there are countless examples of this on here and elsewhere - I get frustrated when some people see 'good writing' as referencing old Trek and 'bad writing' as doing something new. If it's not episodic, it's bad for some. One poster earlier referenced 'mystery baiting'. I mean, I just call that competent story telling.

To each his own, of course. People like what they like, or don't like it for whatever reason. You saying you like it less because it's called Star Trek says to me that it's not actually about whether it's good or not, but what some Trekkies see Star Trek as having to be/contain/reference.

 

[Bollie74]

I like Book and I like Book’s cat.

i am curious what language Book is praying in and the source of his empathic abilities. At a guess, he’s some sort of alien-human hybrid. Agreed that there’s far more chemistry there between Burnham and Book than there ever was with Ash Tyler.

Book said his people were all hunters, I wonder if this is going to turn out he is a Klingon or Klingon hybrid and it turns out Burnham has a type? Just a reach, probably a bad one.

 

[NCC-73515]

Cosmo is the first Betelgeusean we see since TMP!

 

[JoseNoodles]

It was a pretty good opening, but I feel I can't fully judge a half complete story (although I did give it an 8). I was actually hoping we would get to see Discovery and the crew at least a little bit, but the reunion will probably take place next week. I wonder if Book was always planning on gaining Burnham's trust so he could then trap her and take her stuff, or if he just came up with the plan once he realized he couldn't take it by force. Also, he is either part alien or he's been enhanced in some way to communicate with plants and animals. He did say his family were hunters.

So the Temporal Cold War went hot, or there was a lot more open conflict in the Temporal Cold War than people like Daniels were willing to admit. I'm guessing Burnham destroyed her suit to remove the possibility of Control somehow taking it over?

So it seems like the Federation and Starfleet are not completely gone, just fractured into parts which are isolated from each other. So there's potential for iterations which have different technology and values (not to mention uniforms). Anybody got a zoomed in picture of the ship debris floating outside Sahil's office? Definitely saw part of an NCC registry.

 

[bookworm8571]

Book said his people were all hunters, I wonder if this is going to turn out he is a Klingon or Klingon hybrid and it turns out Burnham has a type? Just a reach, probably a bad one.

It’s the empathic abilities/ability to communicate with animals that signals hybrid to me, but maybe he’s just a human with a high psi rating. I don’t know what sort of alien(s) he might be mixed with. It might be interesting if he had a Vulcan or Betazoid ancestor several generations back. If his family is a gang of criminals, maybe he’s a descendant of Harry Mudd.

 

[Jadeb]

Here’s a review with some surprising info about the approach the show takes in the first four episodes. I wouldn’t call them spoilers, but YMMV.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/10/review-healing-and-hope-in-star-trek-discoverys-third-season/

 

[cooleddie74]

Cosmo is the first Betelgeusean we see since TMP!

He's a Betelgeusian? Oh, RIGHT. The Beak!

 

[Tim Thomason]

Okay, so Solarbaby posted this:

Terrible. The worst episode of Trek ever!
It felt like I was watching season 5 of Andromeda and yadda yadda...

Standard overt criticism, whatever. An over the top exaggeration, surely, which is what Kenny says here:

Not even close...........while I respect your opinion, and your right to voice it that seems WAY over the top. Doomcock?

...which elicited a chuckle from me. Enough that I decided to join in with my own hyper-exaggerated Doomcockesque joke by making fun of his grammar:

*You're

Your the worst moderator ever.

See that? I also used the same grammatical mistake, the very next word after "correcting" him, which should alleviate any "seriousness" you may take from the correction. And then:

Sure, if pointing out typos get you off........knock yourself out.

Okay, Kenny didn't get the joke, no big deal. He accepted it at face value as a typo correction, perhaps, with some mild self-deprecation added on. Not as the mild ribbing at Solarbaby/Doomcock it was intended to be with an over-the-top flair. The "typo" (or grammatical mistake, really) being merely the reason for the reply in order to make the joke work.

Oh well, back to sleep, it's best forgotten. But...

Leave the insults out please. Especially completely out of the blue ones.

WTF?! "Out of the blue"? There's a clear line of progression for the joke to work, which I have laid out here. And there are no insults, except perhaps for the "worst moderator ever" line to Kenny, which is obviously not serious... or perhaps the original "Doomcock?" question (by Kenny) to Solarbaby, which underlies the entire exchange. But that should be addressed more towards Kenny than me, one would think.

Was I reported? By one of the "insulted" parties? Or a third party uninvolved in the mischief? Any investigation of the three posts would reveal that it was all in good fun, at least on my end and probably Kenny's (even if he didn't get my joke).

I might be getting banned because of a lazy one-line reply meant for a half-chuckle at best. It was late, I was tired, yadda yadda.

Anyway... it's properly written "Leave the insults out, please" with a comma separating the please from the first part, as it is acting as an interjection. See here.

 

[Andyliini]

It's great to see the episode getting mostly positive welcome. This will be the first time I can read and discuss this episode out of the gate, so looking forward to that.

Now just waiting for Netflix to release it tomorrow.

 

[Tim Thomason]

That kinda broke immersion for me as well. Usually when Trek vaporizes someone, it's taken to be a BFD. There was a body count of what? 25 in this episode? I can understand the characters were in a life/death situation, but the direction should have treated the deaths as more meaningful than just video game characters. At least have them scream for a half a second or something.

Also, it struck me as kinda strange the weapons insta-vaporized the baddies, but Michael gets clipped on the arm but is basically fine.

I thought maybe they were being transported away, at first, because of all quick insta-transports they were doing. But that didn't appear to be the case at the end. Michael was high, so she probably gets a little bit of a pass for acting out of character. Book, though, is a stone-cold butcher. Watch your back, Michael.

I think only Michael and Book were vaporizing the baddies, and the "baddies" were under orders to apprehend the two for questioning. Why they would continue that disparity after their comrades are being slaughtered is beyond me.

 

[NCC-73515]

Sure, if pointing out typos get you off........knock yourself out.



Presskit

Their correction is actually wrong, you were right, and they added a second mistake after that XD

 

[Nenya]

I thought it was odd how casually the show had Burnham and Book butcher a bunch of people, complete with exploding bodies. The show continues to have a disconnect between the Trek values it gives lip service to and the stuff it chooses to put on screen.

I also don’t need to see anyone else burped up/spit out by an alien beast ever again. That felt very Nu Star Wars.

Because this is nu-Trek. Which is Star Wars but with a Star Trek branding.

 

[Lord Garth]

My insight as a former moderator here (since I'm someone who can see both sides): I would've taken what @Tim Zombieson said as a joke. That's the way it read to me. Probably not exactly the best joke, but I don't see any ill intent.

 

[Jadeb]

I thought maybe they were being transported away, at first, because of all quick insta-transports they were doing. But that didn't appear to be the case at the end. Michael was high, so she probably gets a little bit of a pass for acting out of character. Book, though, is a stone-cold butcher. Watch your back, Michael.

I think only Michael and Book were vaporizing the baddies, and the "baddies" were under orders to apprehend the two for questioning. Why they would continue that disparity after their comrades are being slaughtered is beyond me.

I also thought it was weird how they juxtaposed all the killing with Book's "I wub animals" bit. Like he's a tender soul? Maybe start your penance for your family's poaching by not butchering a bunch of people?

 

[SG-17]

I also thought it was weird how they juxtaposed all the killing with Book's "I wub animals" bit. Like he's a tender soul? Maybe start your penance for your family's poaching by not butchering a bunch of people?

People are assholes, animals are innocent.

 

[Yistaan]

I also thought it was weird how they juxtaposed all the killing with Book's "I wub animals" bit. Like he's a tender soul? Maybe start your penance for your family's poaching by not butchering a bunch of people?

Book seems to be one of those guys who likes animals way more than people. He certainly values animal lives over human ones.

I guess we can probably rule out the Omega particle as the cause of the Burn that was theorized before. Nothing about that results in wiping out dilithium only. The Gorn may have been playing with Omega as they apparently wiped out subspace in a 2 light year radius, although this was mentioned only as an offhand comment.

And the other major theory going around that a pah wraith caused the Burn. Well, blowing up all dilithium, as dramatic and devastating as that was, is still a long way down from Dukat's boast that "the Pah wraiths will burn across Bajor, the Celestial Temple, the Alpha Quadrant... An entire universe set in flames."

 

[cultcross]

WTF?! "Out of the blue"? There's a clear line of progression for the joke to work,

It wasn't clear enough for me or for Kenny to understand, so I don't think it was as clear as you thought. I appreciate the clarification though, I did think it odd given your history here that you had decided to be snarky like that. I'm glad to learn it was a good natured post.

I might be getting banned

Who's banning anyone?