Spoilers Stargirl - Season One Discussion Thread

[StCoop]

Courtney seems pretty unfazed by how old the pictures are, plot convenience, I suppose.

Looking at all the decisions she's made so far Courtney is pretty dumb all round. The Golden Age characters not ageing / ageing very slowly is straight out of the comics though, so I'm glad they kept it.

The one thing I wish they'd clarify is how publicly well known (or not) super-humans are on Earth-2. No one seems disbelieving of the existence of super powers but they don't seem to have heard of the JSA either.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Teenagers are self involved idiots.

 

[Christopher]

The one thing I wish they'd clarify is how publicly well known (or not) super-humans are on Earth-2. No one seems disbelieving of the existence of super powers but they don't seem to have heard of the JSA either.

I think it's mainly just the schoolkids who've never heard of the JSA, as far as we've seen. It's not unusual for people that young to be unaware of famous people from before their time. I remember back when I was in high school around 1980 or so, and when a classmate insisted he'd never heard of the Beatles, I thought he was messing with me, but I eventually realized he was probably sincere.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I would probably have paid more attention to history and current events as a kid if it involved f'n magic superheroes.

 

[Christopher]

I would probably have paid more attention to history and current events as a kid if it involved f'n magic superheroes.

Not knowing who the Beatles were is kind of the same thing.

 

[The Realist]

Not knowing who the Beatles were is kind of the same thing.

Except worse.

 

[JD]

The one thing I wish they'd clarify is how publicly well known (or not) super-humans are on Earth-2. No one seems disbelieving of the existence of super powers but they don't seem to have heard of the JSA either.

I've been wondering about that too, they've been kind of vague about it so far.
I'm curious exactly what the janitor's role is going to be in the wider arc. I know who he is the comics, so I'm wondering what that's going to mean for the JSA vs ISA conflict.
Brain Wave Sr. waking up was a big surprise. I know it looked like Jr. killed the lawyer, but the fact that he died right as Sr. woke, makes me wonder if it was actually him.
At this point, it's looking to me like Henry could end up on either side of the conflict, I know where is ends up in the comics, but they have changed things like that in the shows before.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I think it's mainly just the schoolkids who've never heard of the JSA, as far as we've seen. It's not unusual for people that young to be unaware of famous people from before their time. I remember back when I was in high school around 1980 or so, and when a classmate insisted he'd never heard of the Beatles, I thought he was messing with me, but I eventually realized he was probably sincere.

I was 9 in 1980, I knew John Lennon getting shot was a big deal but didn't know why exactly. Paul McCartney would later be the guy who sang duets with Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson. Not sure when "The Beatles" became something I really grasped. I knew who Superman was though and he wasn't even real.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I would probably have paid more attention to history and current events as a kid if it involved f'n magic superheroes.

Read Roy Thomas' All-Star Squadron and get both.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

They haven't established who Henry Jr's mother is have they?
In the comics it's Merry Pemberton (aka Merry, Girl of 1000 Gimmicks), the adopted daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Sylvester Pemberton whose son is the Star-Spangled Kid (or Starman in the current series).
It would be interesting to see if Pat knows who Henry Jr's mother is, because if it is Merry, then they may have interacted at some point when Pat was working as Sylvester's chauffeur.

 

[Aragorn]

Did Courtney and Yolanda just go on a killing spree?

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's self defense.

New out there theory about Babs.

She is Sylvester in disguise.

The cosmic staff changed her mind and body to hide, and then switched Barbara back a couple times so the kid she had with herself didn't feel too disaffected.

Immaculate conception is not difficult for a careless hermaphrodite.

 

[theenglish]

Well, at least one kid switching sides might not be unpredictable if you're familiar with the comics. Or do you mean unpredictable from the parents' perspective?

I was referring to the ISA's perspective. After the last episode, something surprising for us, the viewers, will need to happen if we are going to see Brainwave Jr. in Infinity Inc/JSA.

 

[theenglish]

I was 9 in 1980, I knew John Lennon getting shot was a big deal but didn't know why exactly. Paul McCartney would later be the guy who sang duets with Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson. Not sure when "The Beatles" became something I really grasped. I knew who Superman was though and he wasn't even real.

This is similar to me. I remember asking my mother who John Lennon was the day he was shot and she just told me "he was a singer who thought he was smarter than he was" --my mother liked fifties and early sixties music and was conservative in a lot of her ideas.

Tug of War was the first real album by a Beatle I owned because I loved a couple of the songs they played on the radio--but I knew that Paul McCartney was in Wings before I knew he was in the Beatles.

 

[Reverend]

Glad they're finally pulling the trigger on Courtney's actual father. Her deluding herself about him being Starman was getting very tiresome. I've kinda been running on the assumption that he'll still be played by Joel McHale either as a pure coincidence lookalike or some cliche long lost twin brother/refugee from the collapse of the multiverse thing.
Or they could just get someone that kinda/sorta looks like him and have some other explanation why the staff seems imprinted on Courtney.

I've been wondering about that too, they've been kind of vague about it so far.

Well there are in-universe wikipedia pages about Wildcat so the existence of superheroes is hardly a secret. The JSA as an organisation on the other hand may have been something they kept quiet for a number or reasons.

I'm curious exactly what the janitor's role is going to be in the wider arc. I know who he is the comics, so I'm wondering what that's going to mean for the JSA vs ISA conflict.

I think the larger question here is what's so special about this nowhere town that seems to attract superhuman types.

 

[Kirk Prime]

I was 9 in 1980, I knew John Lennon getting shot was a big deal but didn't know why exactly. Paul McCartney would later be the guy who sang duets with Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson. Not sure when "The Beatles" became something I really grasped. I knew who Superman was though and he wasn't even real.

You were 9 though. What did you know about the Beatles by say, 1986 when you were 15?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

You were 9 though. What did you know about the Beatles by say, 1986 when you were 15?

I was trying to remember but I’m not sure. At that point I was being shaped mostly by MTV and Top 40 radio so I knew who the Stones were because they were active. I had just discovered Metallica at 15, a crush would open me to The Doors a year later. I had probably heard the name by this point but not sure if I’d know any of their songs or members. Maybe if I would’ve been 15 in 1980 it would be inconceivable but they weren’t much of a force to me in those years. I still had heard of Superman though.

 

[Christopher]

Did Courtney and Yolanda just go on a killing spree?

Well, a lacerating spree, at least. It was surprisingly bloody for what's supposed to be the family-friendly DC Universe show. (I wonder if the sound effects and digital blood will be toned down for The CW, although it wasn't that bad compared to something like Titans.)

Otherwise, this was a pretty good one. Not perfect; the final twist about Brainwave and his wife Merry was easy to predict. Though the outcome with Henry Jr. was not at all expected.

Also, somebody needs to teach this kids to stick to code names in the field. Yelling out "Courtney, come on!" right in front of the supervillain is a bad idea (although it was unclear whether he'd already regained his full memory, including her identity).

Spoiler

Rick damaging the door to Grundy's cell is bound to turn out badly....

 

[Kirk Prime]

I was trying to remember but I’m not sure. At that point I was being shaped mostly by MTV and Top 40 radio so I knew who the Stones were because they were active. I had just discovered Metallica at 15, a crush would open me to The Doors a year later. I had probably heard the name by this point but not sure if I’d know any of their songs or members. Maybe if I would’ve been 15 in 1980 it would be inconceivable but they weren’t much of a force to me in those years. I still had heard of Superman though.

I think my point is that Courtney is about 16 years old. That's a HUGE difference between 16 and 9. At age 9 I also knew Superman but couldn't name a Beatle. I wasn't that into music. I didn't even start much with current music until I was about 11, and oldies came a little later. But by 16, I definitely knew the Beatles. I had HEARD of the Beatles at 9, but couldn't name one.

 

[Aragorn]

Did the lawyer that Henry Jr. killed at the end of the previous episode just flicker and disappear like in a video game?