Spoilers Stargirl - Season One Discussion Thread

It wouldn’t be the main focus. Just something to get them together for the main story. They really should get them to know one another since they are actual members of the forthcoming Justice League.

 

The continuity is terrible in this episode, just making jumps without explanation. So Courtney wakes up in the hospital. Does that mean Pat took the Stargirl costume off his teenage stepdaughter and put her in street clothes? Creepy. Or are we to infer that he called Yolanda or Beth to help get her changed? And did they debrief her on her fight while they changed her, because they seemed to know all the details including Cindy being her superpowered foe, which nobody should have known since nobody saw the fight? Beth is annoying, too. She's supposed to be the smart one, but she just stuck around waiting to be caught in the tunnels and in Cindy's room. Why take the photo anyway? Couldn't "Chuck" just record a scan of the photo and project it later for others to see?

 

She wouldn't be naked under that bulletproof body armour.

It would be painfully abrasive against bare skin.

 

Huh? There's nothing creepy about parents occasionally seeing their children unclothed. Just because a small minority of people are pedophiles doesn't mean we need to demonize things that are natural parts of parenting in every other circumstance. Heck, in Japan, parents and children bathe together all the time and it's seen as perfectly normal, because they don't make the mistake of assuming nudity is automatically sexual.

I mean, it would make as much sense to argue that everyone who drives a car is disreputable because criminals drive getaway cars. Context matters, and intentions matter. The fact that criminals may do a specific thing doesn't make it wrong for normal people to do the same thing with perfectly innocent intent.

Did you miss the part where Courtney was texting to Yolanda? They have phones. Presumably Courtney filled them in between scenes.

Book-smart doesn't mean infallibly wise, especially for a teenager or an inexperienced crimefighter, let alone both. Indeed, she was unwise in the way smart people often are, being too curious for her own good.

 

I've worked with Kevlar and Dyneema fabrics. They're not painfully abrasive. Even if it was, you'd want to put a lining in the costume, rather than relying on underwear which wouldn't cover all of the contact area under the costume.

He's not her father. They were strangers until a few months earlier. Virtually no high schoolers want to be seen naked by their parents anyway. Go ask one.

And yet Pat knew right from the time she awoke that Cindy had "abilities like that" as if Courtney had given him a very detailed description of the fight, when she was presumably unconscious since the end of the previous episode. They don't seem to talk on their phones, just text. It would be very difficult to give a blow-by-blow account by text message. Typical copout of "it happened off-camera."

So why the whole scene earlier in the episode when she was psychoanalyzing Rick and telling him how they need to calm down, slow down and be careful rather than impulsive? She's also very obviously lacking in obvious courage, so she shouldn't have been so foolhardy, especially when the comms went out and she was all alone underground. To paraphrase the Bard, discretion is the better part of valor, caution is preferable to rash bravery. She jeopardized the mission so many times in those few minutes and actually messed it up by taking the photograph when she didn't even need to touch it. "Chuck" already had all those recordings of Ito, so it could have easily snapped a scan of the photo without leaving a trace. Did she think Cindy's "mom" wouldn't tell Cindy that her friend, a nerdy Black girl from school, visited and went up to her room, after which Cindy wouldn't be able to figure out who it was? Meanwhile, Courtney's supposed to be recuperating from bad injuries, but she could quickly jump out of bed and go toe-to-toe with Cindy again. And Cindy's supposed to be this fast, strong fighter who can kill a drone in a wink, but all of a sudden is completely helpless when confronted by three drones, didn't even see them coming on an empty street.

 

Did no one think to text Courtney after they left Cindy's that they had made it out okay and were presumably heading for Pat's garage?
It would have stopped Courtney from being reckless again.

 

That doesn't make him a predator. It's wrong to stigmatize perfectly normal people for the actions of a minority of sick people. What about Courtney's doctor at the hospital? That may have been a male stranger who saw her unclothed, but you wouldn't assume he was a predator, because you understand that he's a caregiver and it's a legitimate necessity with nothing predatory about it. Well, a parent or stepparent is a caregiver too. We have got to stop demonizing all parents just because of the small minority that abuse the responsibility. It's deeply unfair to the vast majority of good and loving parents who would never in a million years contemplate doing anything so harmful to the children they love and protect.

Under normal circumstances, no. In an emergency situation, though, it would be absurd to make a fuss over the necessity.

You're assuming a lot. The fact that she had special abilities is in evidence from how badly she beat the girl with the cosmic staff. He doesn't need precise details to see that.

Seriously? Texting is teenagers' first language these days. I'm sure they're able to convey all they need.

What are you talking about? That's not a copout, it's efficient storytelling. It's expecting the audience to be able to think for themselves and extrapolate what's between the scenes so that they don't need every last detail spoonfed to them. They only have 41 minutes per episode now that they're editing for a CW runtime.

People are inconsistent. Who isn't bad at following the advice they give to others? You're just looking for excuses to criticize.

 

The police or the Nurses might check Courtney's phone if Pat was foolish enough to leave it the sleeping girls pocket, and newly arrived messages might make the car crash seem fake. Also what ever Pat and Courtney were calling "training" could be code fore something illegal, and seems like a red flag no one should be waving.

 

She was debriefed as she was being debriefed?

 

Wow, are we really discussing how a character got out of their costume and into a hospital gown like it's important?

 

Are you new to nerd culture?

Really liked Cindy's reveal - i mean come on. That trope has to finally die a horrible death that jus because you cover part of your face with a mask but otherwise leave distinctive elements (in Courtney's case her huge blonde hairdo and her voice) you become unrecognizable to people who have seen you upclose?

It props up more and more and i applaud it because while it has been something that only works in comics i think the medium has evolved past these story requirements.

That being said another solid episode that went by fast - i'm still wondering how the teenage team will survice going against the adult villains who have years/decades of experience in a direct fight (like the trailer suggested). By all accounts they should be pasted hard so something must have happened for that scene to make any sense but the season finale is only a few weeks away so we'll see.

 

Too many nerds need this

And think they're clever when pointing out they "missed a feeding".

 

At least Green Arrow and Batwoman use voice changers. And Flash used to "vibrate" his voice somehow to disguise it, but he stopped doing that after a while (but then, he's pretty casual about revealing his identity).

 

In one of the Robin mini series, with Tim Drake in the 90s, Tim was showing up to school covered in bruises, sporting a broken bone or three.

CPS interviewed Bruce Wayne determined to prove that he's a child beater, and make the world a better place, by locking a billionaire up and throwing away the key.

Pat is spending an unhealthy amount of time alone with an under aged girl.

 

It's a TV show. It's only "important" if it needs to be "important". It's not worth the time to "explain" it or worry about.

 

Well he does have a history of dodgy behavior with Children.

Pat was driving Sylvester towards crime when the Star Spangled Kid was also still a teen.

 

Whut? Pat's the sidekick/employee. Sly's his boss in and out of costume.

 

I was glad that Cindy did recognize Courtney, she would have looked like a complete moron if she didn't.
Beth and Pat's team up was pretty fun.
So who or what exactly is Cindy's mom? Did Chuck not find anything on her because Ito wiped out her history somehow, or could she be some kind of artificial person he made to be Cindy's mom?
So apparently Dragon King was originally a normal human. I guess he must have done something to turn himself into a lizard person after his "death". I'm curious why taking off his hood is such a big deal.
It'll be interesting to see where they go with Henry Jr. now that he has figured out his powers, and founds his dad's villain stash.

 

Pat was 25 and Sly was 19 or 18.

Pat was supposed to be keeping a child (give or take a year) of his bosses' safe.

Rather than fighting a cannibalistic super swamp zombie together, maybe Sylvester's parents would have preferred that they were paying a man 60 thousand dollars a year to boff their son.

 

There you go again. It's always all or nothing with you. Where did I say he's a predator? It's just weird, in the same way that John Boorman directing his own adult daughter naked in essentially soft porn in Excalibur was. I've never called Boorman a predator.

How did he even know it was Cindy when Courtney was unconscious when he found her? Even if she groaned while half-conscious, "It was Cindy," how would he know that she had powers rather than henchmen doing her dirty work?

Yeah, those texts sure seemed awfully detailed when Courtney was asking where they were. /s

There's extrapolating and there's making things up completely without any basis in the plot. I extrapolate that Cindy's stepmom should tell Cindy that her Black friend visited to get cheerleading advice, after which Cindy would know that Beth is a member of the new JSA. That's based on what we actually saw, rather than making things up. I also extrapolate that it actually won't be followed up on. I extrapolate that despite Dragon King having cameras all over the streets and tunnels, he still doesn't know about Beth, Rick and Yolanda. And what's with the stepmom being horny anyway? Does that advance the plot any or just waste some of this valuable 41 minutes?

You're just looking for excuses for inconsistencies. To you, there's never been any such thing as YATI. It's all "explainable." This show just appears to be rushed in terms of production. There were far fewer problems in the other Arrowverse shows.