A mirror Winn Adami was never seen or mentioned. I'd see her as a dutiful vedic, never rising to leadership of an order.
Kurtzman: DS9 characters could appear in Picard
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A mirror Winn Adami was never seen or mentioned. I'd see her as a dutiful vedic, never rising to leadership of an order.
I think it would be interesting to see Bashir as the 31 leader, especially as he is Ezri's husband, father of their daughter, and CMO as well. He would come to be "Control" very reluctantly.
To be completely honest, I also couldn't buy that Bashir would still be with Ezri all those years later. Their relationship was a sloppy 11th hour development and the only thing they had in common was Jadzia. There's no real foundation there to build on and I just don't see them lasting very long. Additionally, the concept of a family man with a double life has been done plenty of times in television and isn't something I'm particularly interested in seeing explored via Bashir, but I guess it all depends on how the material is handled.
Indeed, Section 31 does not strike me as the kind of organization that would let a personal vendetta stand in the way of hiring qualified men.
Yeah that was a tough one for me to swallow. Never liked Ezri, I am afraid, and I never got over my high school crush, Jadzia, myself. That said, anything that would bring back Bashir (and hopefully Garak!) is something I could get behind.
The complaint is the relationship between Julian and Ezri, which was given several episodes of buildup that built on top of the Julian–Jadzia relationship, but not the Jadzia–Worf relationship, which truly came out of nowhere?
I've seen many relationships in Star Trek have far less anticipation and progression to them than Julian–Ezri ever had, even on Deep Space Nine, Jadzia–Worf, and Odo–Nerys were quite a bit more incredulous in how they suddenly existed out of nowhere.
I thought Jadzia-Worf had a lot better chemistry than Ezri-Julian. Ezri-Julian seemed pretty forced, like they were just trying to make sure Julian got a girl before the 7 years were over. Which they kind of were.
Julian got many, besides, the one girl all the fans wanted to see him with was Garak, but alas, Rick Berman stood in the way of this grand vision.
Nevertheless, I do feel that even after Worf was introduced the writers were planning to make Jadzia and Julian a couple; especially after the episode where they were both trapped aboard the Defiant and came to a greater understanding of one another, and then, out of nowhere, as what seemed to be an afterthought in the episode where Worf tries to help Garak court Grilka, they end up together.
Julian got many, besides, the one girl all the fans wanted to see him with was Garak, but alas, Rick Berman stood in the way of this grand vision.
Nevertheless, I do feel that even after Worf was introduced the writers were planning to make Jadzia and Julian a couple; especially after the episode where they were both trapped aboard the Defiant and came to a greater understanding of one another, and then, out of nowhere, as what seemed to be an afterthought in the episode where Worf tries to help Garak court Grilka, they end up together.
Well, there was Leeta. And there was Melora, though that was over pretty quickly (one episode, maybe a week in real time). And there was Sarena, she was grateful to him for saving her from her cataleptic state but that's not really the same thing as love. That doesn't really seem like a lot for 6 1/2 years. A relationship with Garak would certainly have been interesting and good to see, but that might have gotten them kicked off the air in about 20 states and I'm not sure it would have been worth it. Nice picture.
What what what? All of the no. If that's what you think, I can only assume you haven't actually watched the show.
Jadzia was flirting with Worf since the moment they met in "Way of the Warrior", when he said "Curzon's a legend" and she replied "Yeah but I look better in a swimsuit." They had multiple scenes throughout season 4 in which they were close and personal and distinctly sweaty, and they already had the Klingon history connection. He accused her of wearing a low-cut blouse to distract him, she called him arrogant, then she smirked because she liked that he'd noticed her boobs. By the time of Grilka, Jadzia was like "FFS Worf, how dense can you be? I'm going to have to throw you on the floor and mount you, aren't I?" She'd been putting it out there for a year and he was too thick to notice, so it was a long way from "out of nowhere".
And Julian and Jadzia's subplot in "Starship Down" was specifically about how he doesn't chase after her anymore. He was with Leeta from the end of S3 (before Worf came on board) to the start of S5 (after Worf and Jadzia got together).
As for Kira and Odo, we knew he was in love with her since "The Collaborator" in S2, and there were three separate episodes that were completely about his unrequited love for her ("Heart of Stone" in S3, "Crossfire" in S4, and "Children of Time" in S5) before they actually got together in "His Way" in S6. How much more of a set-up do you need for a relationship than four entire years?
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I was responding to a post about Julian and Ezri, so that's what I commented on. Though, for the record, I do like the Worf/Jadzia relationship and disagree that it came out of nowhere. When they get together at the end of "Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places," that was the culmination of simmering unresolved sexual tension that had been building from the very first time they met a season earlier. Jadzia was into Worf from the first time she laid eyes on him, and even though he fought to maintain his Klingon stoicism, it was clear Worf was feeling some kind of way about her, too. It made a lot of sense to me when they got together after the Grilka debacle, as emotions were running high and things between them had been building in that direction for a while. From "Way of the Warrior" to Jadzia's tragic death, their relationship followed a trajectory that seemed natural and believable to me, developed across three seasons.
With Julian/Ezri, the fact that the relationship is built on top of the Julian/Jadzia friendship is part of the problem. Ezri isn't Jadzia; they might have the Dax symbiont in common, but so much of Ezri's storyline in season 7 is her struggling with the fact that people cannot separate her from her predecessor and see her as her own person. That so much of Bashir's attraction to her is just residual attraction to Jadzia isn't healthy and definitely isn't a good building block for a lasting relationship, which Ezri acknowledges. She seems pretty conflicted about it, and ambivalent towards Bashir in general, until suddenly she isn't, and she and Julian are making eyes at each other like giddy teenagers and they close out the series as a couple. The issues standing in their way never actually get resolved, just hand-waved away, and consequently, the end result feels cheap. Like someone else pointed out upthread, it seems like the writers threw them together as an afterthought, like they felt they needed to pair both characters off with someone before the show ended.
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Agreed on this. Dax and Worf at least made sense given Kurzon's affinity for all things Klingon. On screen, the romantic and sexual chemistry was there. Made more sense to me than Odo and Kira or Bashir and Ezri. But I never gave Ezri a fair chance because I was mad they killed off Jadzia.
Kira was the soul of the show, however vital Sisko and Odo were to the outcome. At the end, she was the one still there, looking up at the wormhole.
Bwuh? There was obvious chemistry between Worf and Jadzia from their very first scene together.
Yep to all this. Even if Dax and Worf never feel in love they were surely gonna bang and shes got a thing for klingons too. Also re-watching as an adult I really see and love how cheeky, confident and sexually open Dax
Odo pretending he hate the solid need for romance was so obviously a lie from the start as he was clearly infatuated with Kira.
Im glad Garak and Bashir never happened as I like the dynamic of their relationship and how innocent and oblivious Bashir is to it all. I do wish we could see Garak settle down with a man and be happy though
As Quark has apparently branched out and franchised onto other planets, they wouldn't even have to go to Bajor or to DS9 to bring him in. Although, I'd love to see the old place.
For Bashir to join Section 31 in earnest it'd have to have a revamped moral code. I can see Bashir possibly coming to the conclusion that operating outside the rules is necessary for security, but so long as the solutions don't involve assassinations and genocide.
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