Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Really? I've heard mostly encouraging things about it so far.

 

And it might do good at the theater too since Bond moved and april does not have much competition.

 

I have no idea who those are, but I find this statement kind of rude. "Proof?" What are you talking about? I'm just saying I've heard some good buzz. I don't have to "prove" that to you. It's simply my experience.

 

Richard E. Grant is going to be playing an unrevealed character in an episode of Loki.
I'm thinking since they cast somebody at the level of Richard E. Grant that he's going to be fairly important.

 

Excellent. Hopefully the character is properly evil.

 

How does this sound? I hope that this is forward-thinking casting. That he has actually been cast as Nightmare for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and they want to establish him in Loki first.

 

Ooo...I like that a lot. I hope you're right!

 

It did reach, it reached lower than, those lows. Iron Man 2 was worse than The Last Stand and the first Wolverine.

 

Not even close. Maybe, *maybe* the second Thor movie fits into that category.

 

Wolverine Origins was one of the worst films in the history of the genre. Nothing in the MCU is on the same planet as that movie. Green Lantern beat Wolverine Origins with one hand tied behind its back.

I like the Last Stand better than most people for its good qualities, but thinking back to Ian McKellen's dialogue and that scene where it goes from bright daylight to twilight to middle of the night in like 30 seconds, I really can't say it was as competently made as any MCU movie, including IM2 or Thor 2 (which is worse than IM2) or IM3 (which is the worst MCU film by quite a bit, imo).

 

I agree it's the worst film in the X-Men series, but it's not really that bad; it's more just that it feels like a Cliffs Notes summary of a longer, more coherent film. And I've seen worse superhero movies, like Catwoman or the Josh Trank Fant4stic. You can read about a number of reportedly even worse ones here, reviewed by our own Keith DeCandido: https://www.tor.com/series/the-great-superhero-movie-rewatch/

 

I don't think Iron Man 2 is bad, I think it suffers in opinion because it is (IMO) the first movie to fit the MCU mold, which makes it tonally different from its well regarded predecessor. Iron Man was largely a stand alone superhero tale, being the first MCU movie. IM2, on the other hand, begins bringing in the larger Marvel universe in Nick Fury and Black Widow. I feel like it has more Feige influence in its DNA, whereas IM1 has more Favreau. If you view it through that lens, as more of the first real MCU movie instead of as a sequel to Iron Man, I found for me it was way more enjoyable.

 

As I always wind up saying in these conversations, I never saw Catwoman or Fant4stic but I'm happy to take everyone's word about them.

For the rest, there's a LOT more wrong with Origins than just the coherence of the film. Bad performances. Terrible FX. The ending with Deadpool is one of the dumbest creative decisions I've ever seen. Of all the superhero movies I've seen, the only ones that are truly on that low of a level, imo, are Justice League, Kick-Ass 2 and Batman and Robin.

Obviously I haven't seen every superhero movie in existence, but I've seen a lot of them. And obviously every genre has tons of straight to dvd crap that most people, including me, never watch - but that stuff is irrelevant to the conversation.

 

I'm not saying it's good, by any means. Like I said, it's the worst Fox X-Men movie, and there's a fair amount of competition for that slot. I'm just saying I've seen even worse. Origins is a mess, but there are some things about it that at least marginally work, or at least aren't as bad as the hype would have it.

As for Justice League, I like it a lot better than BvS or Suicide Squad, both of which are staggeringly incoherent for professionally made films. I said Origins felt like a condensed summary of a better movie -- BvS feels similar, but it's more like a loose agglomeration of random, disconnected lines and scenes that only vaguely and impressionistically form the rough outline of a story. JL is kind of a mess itself, but the parts that work are much better than anything in the other two, IMHO.

 

I find the opposite. Justice League feels like more of a mess to me than BvS and worse in pretty much every other category, too. BvS at least looks pretty (except Doomsday). JL couldn't even do that.

And imo the 'hype' against origins is pretty accurate. Arguably understated - I've seen people argue Leiv Schreiber as a brilliant performance. I absolutely hated his performance in that movie.

 

Again, I don't dispute that Origins is bad. I'm just saying there's always something worse.

 

Knowing that there's another slightly larger and stinkier pile of shite does in no way make the smaller not *quite* as wretch inducing pile of shite any less of a pile of shite.

And just to be clear: Justice League? Pile of shite. Origins? Pile of shite. Suicide Squad? Pile of shite with exactly one redeeming feature, and they just gave her her own movie to play in. BvS? Would have been an OK movie if it didn't try to be three different movies at once and loose the plot (figuratively and literally) in the third act. But on balance, it's a pile of shite.

 

Shang-Chi suspends production.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...pends-production-as-director-isolates-1284454

 

Damn.

 

Not to surprised, pretty much everything seems like it's being delayed at this point.