Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

    18.3%
  2. A

    36.5%
  3. A-

    14.4%
  4. B+

    6.7%
  5. B

    13.5%
  6. B-

    2.9%
  7. C+

    1.9%
  8. C

    3.8%
  9. C-

    1.0%
  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
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  11. D

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  12. D-

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  13. F

    1.0%
  1. EnderAKH

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    I don't think Iron Man 2 is bad, I think it suffers in opinion because it is (IMO) the first movie to fit the MCU mold, which makes it tonally different from its well regarded predecessor. Iron Man was largely a stand alone superhero tale, being the first MCU movie. IM2, on the other hand, begins bringing in the larger Marvel universe in Nick Fury and Black Widow. I feel like it has more Feige influence in its DNA, whereas IM1 has more Favreau. If you view it through that lens, as more of the first real MCU movie instead of as a sequel to Iron Man, I found for me it was way more enjoyable.
     
  2. Grendelsbayne

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    As I always wind up saying in these conversations, I never saw Catwoman or Fant4stic but I'm happy to take everyone's word about them.

    For the rest, there's a LOT more wrong with Origins than just the coherence of the film. Bad performances. Terrible FX. The ending with Deadpool is one of the dumbest creative decisions I've ever seen. Of all the superhero movies I've seen, the only ones that are truly on that low of a level, imo, are Justice League, Kick-Ass 2 and Batman and Robin.

    Obviously I haven't seen every superhero movie in existence, but I've seen a lot of them. And obviously every genre has tons of straight to dvd crap that most people, including me, never watch - but that stuff is irrelevant to the conversation.
     
  3. Christopher

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    I'm not saying it's good, by any means. Like I said, it's the worst Fox X-Men movie, and there's a fair amount of competition for that slot. I'm just saying I've seen even worse. Origins is a mess, but there are some things about it that at least marginally work, or at least aren't as bad as the hype would have it.

    As for Justice League, I like it a lot better than BvS or Suicide Squad, both of which are staggeringly incoherent for professionally made films. I said Origins felt like a condensed summary of a better movie -- BvS feels similar, but it's more like a loose agglomeration of random, disconnected lines and scenes that only vaguely and impressionistically form the rough outline of a story. JL is kind of a mess itself, but the parts that work are much better than anything in the other two, IMHO.
     
  4. Grendelsbayne

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    I find the opposite. Justice League feels like more of a mess to me than BvS and worse in pretty much every other category, too. BvS at least looks pretty (except Doomsday). JL couldn't even do that.

    And imo the 'hype' against origins is pretty accurate. Arguably understated - I've seen people argue Leiv Schreiber as a brilliant performance. I absolutely hated his performance in that movie.
     
  5. Christopher

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    Again, I don't dispute that Origins is bad. I'm just saying there's always something worse.
     
  6. Reverend

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    Knowing that there's another slightly larger and stinkier pile of shite does in no way make the smaller not *quite* as wretch inducing pile of shite any less of a pile of shite.

    And just to be clear: Justice League? Pile of shite. Origins? Pile of shite. Suicide Squad? Pile of shite with exactly one redeeming feature, and they just gave her her own movie to play in. BvS? Would have been an OK movie if it didn't try to be three different movies at once and loose the plot (figuratively and literally) in the third act. But on balance, it's a pile of shite.
     
  7. Turtletrekker

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  8. The Nth Doctor

    The Nth Doctor Infinite Possibilities... Premium Member

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    Not to surprised, pretty much everything seems like it's being delayed at this point.
     
  10. DEWLine

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    Well, that's sad news.
     
  11. The Nth Doctor

    The Nth Doctor Infinite Possibilities... Premium Member

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    Damon Lindelof wants to work in the Marvel Cinematic Universe:

    I think that doing something in the Marvel universe, anywhere in the Marvel Universe, would be really potentially exciting for me, especially as they start to get a little bit more experimental. Some of the things that I’ve seen for Wandavision, for example, just feel like, “Okay, now we’re getting somewhere.” Particularly in a television space.
    As someone who loves LOST (yes, including "The End"), The Leftovers, and Watchmen, I think he would be a great fit for a television series. Question is which characters would be best served by his style of writing?
     
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  12. Saul

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    There was a rumor mentioned on Kevin Smith's podcast Fatman Beyond which says a certain Lawyer (Matt Murdock) would show up in the third film played by none other than Charlie Cox. Which is pretty big thing if true. They sometimes have insider information which they let slip from time to time so maybe there is some truth to it.
     
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  13. Anwar

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    Well, either him or Bruce Banner calling his cousin...
     
  14. The Nth Doctor

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    Third film of what?
     
  15. Christopher

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    I would presume Spider-Man, since that's the only MCU series whose next film would be its third.
     
  16. Saul

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    Yup, meant to say Spiderman.
     
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  17. Reverend

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    That rumour has been floating around ever since 'Far from Home' came out. Mostly because it's a no-brainer way to not just get Cox as Matt into the movies, but perhaps more importantly, D'Onofrio as Kingpin too.

    It remains to be seen whether this'll mean the Netflix shows in general will be be made officially canon (as opposed to the "kinda/sorta/maybe" status all of the non-movie projects have had thus far) or whether it'll be just like when they cast JK Simmons to play the MCU's version JJJ (see also: D'Arcy's appearance in 'Endgame' still has the 'Agent Carter' show in a weird narrative superposition status.) I suspect the former, but wouldn't be shocked by the latter either.

    Indeed, the 2 year hold on using those characters is just about up and certainly will be by the time Spidy 3 is out, so it's at least feasable.
     
  18. The Nth Doctor

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    It would be fantastic to get both Cox and D'Oonofrio in a Spidey film, but I'm highly doubtful. On the other hand, I never thought we'd see Simmons as JJJ again and yet here we are. So maybe there is hope?
     
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  19. Turtletrekker

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    If Peter needs a lawyer, I can imagine that Bruce Banner would be able to recommend one.
     
  20. Turtletrekker

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