Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

    18.3%
  2. A

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  3. A-

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  4. B+

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  5. B

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  6. B-

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  7. C+

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  8. C

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  9. C-

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  10. D+

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  11. D

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  13. F

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  1. crookeddy

    crookeddy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    There is a thread on it already, but... will Sarimi reign in his instincts that tend to take his movies into campy territories?
     
  2. Ovation

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    Don’t see why he should. Not like the MCU is devoid of camp.
     
  3. Turtletrekker

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    Information from a source that's been hit-and-miss in the past, but has been largely accurate, says that Marvel is looking into actresses other than Hayley Steinfeld for the role of Kate Bishop. She is still Marvel's first choice, but her deal with Apple plus is creating a conflict and she may not be able to take the role. This jibes with previous reports and maybe the reason why Hawkeye's production has been delayed rather than any issues with Jeremy Renner.

    https://mcucosmic.com/2020/02/07/the-search-for-kate-bishop-in-hawkeye-continues/
     
  4. Mr. Adventure

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    I think the bigger question would be if Marvel would allow him to flex his instincts.
     
  5. crookeddy

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    I hope not. We've had enough campy super hero movies before the current golden age.
     
  6. Ovation

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    The “current golden age” is hardly camp-free.
     
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    Long overdue, but The Eternals will indeed feature the MCU's first LGBTQ couple, specifically Phastos and his husband (unnamed in the article) as played by Brian Tyree Henry and Haaz Sleiman, respectively.

    In a new interview with Logo, Tom Clancy’s Jack Ryan star Haaz Sleiman revealed that he’s actually slated to play the man married to Brian Tyree Henry’s Phastos—one of the titular Eternals—and in the film, the pair will parent a child together.

    Sleiman explained that in addition to depicting what married life is like for the couple, Eternals also features a moment where Phastos and his husband kiss. The kiss, Sleiman said, takes place during a moving scene that left everyone on set crying, which he saw as a testament to how important the film’s approach to queer representation will be.

    “For me it’s very important to show how loving and beautiful a queer family can be,” he said. “Brian Tyree Henry is such a tremendous actor and brought so much beauty into this part, and at one point I saw a child in his eyes, and I think it’s important for the world to be reminded that we in the queer community were all children at one point. We forget that because we’re always depicted as sexual or rebellious. We forget to connect on that human part.”​
     
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  10. JD

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    Nice to know it will be more than just a blink and you miss it moment like in Rise of Skywalker, or left vague like in Star Trek Beyond.
     
  11. crookeddy

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    How is it vague in Star Trek Beyond? Two men have a kid, it's right there in front of you.
     
  12. Grendelsbayne

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    Except the movie never explicitly says that. If you didn't hear any bts stuff about Sulu being gay you could just as easily assume that man is Sulu's brother and the girl his niece. As a great many people in Europe in particular did (because the intimate embrace the American filmmakers thought was 'enough' to communicate that they were married is actually completely normal for male friends/family members in many other parts of the world).
     
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    Yeah, there was ton of discussion about that when the movie came out.

    I still don't agree with his reasoning at all. Characters evolve and change and the other Kelvin characters were almost all much farther removed from their TOS versions than Sulu. Takei and Roddenberry certainly deserve plenty of credit for Sulu's origins but they don't get lifelong veto rights over where the character goes after they've retired.

    Plus the idea that introducing a new gay character in the Kelvin movies would've achieved anything is naive in the extreme. Most likely that character would've died before the end of the movie, possibly without even having first made it clear they were gay at all. And even in the best case scenario, they'd've been trapped in the background (because Kirk and company are the stars and the Kelvin films were never really ensemble pieces) and never appeared again afterward (just like the majority of new characters introduced in the movies).
     
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  15. Christopher

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    For what it's worth, the first comic book storyline that IDW did following up on Beyond had a subplot in which Sulu brought his husband and daughter with him on his new ship (while the new Enterprise was being built) and was afraid for them when they were abducted in an alien attack. So they made it more overt than the movie was allowed to, at least in dialogue, although his family members never actually appeared on the page. (Although it was an anachronistic plot device, because Starfleet letting families on ships was a 24th-century thing.)


    Whereas most other LGBTQ Trek people who commented on it, like David Gerrold, were happy with the choice. So I chalked Takei's reaction up to the usual response of any actor when a character they've played for a long time is interpreted differently from what's in their heads (see also Mark Hamill's reaction to The Last Jedi).

    And how Roddenberry envisioned characters is a problematical standard. He also envisioned Sulu as generically "pan-Asian" because he didn't know enough about Asian cultures to pick one. And he envisioned Spock as having an irresistible hypnotic sexual power over women, an innate ability of Vulcan males that Spock struggled to refrain from taking advantage of.


    Exactly. Adding new token side characters to a long-established cast is unlikely to work. It's like when Super Friends added Black Vulcan, Samurai, El Dorado, and Apache Chief to the Justice League. Rather than becoming equally prominent members of the team, they were also-rans, tokens who are remembered mainly as jokes and historical footnotes. And the token black guy in Superman's cast, Ron Troupe, has never really become more than just the token black guy in the background. It would've been a waste to cast Laurence Fishburne as Ron Troupe instead of Perry White.

    Besides, Sulu is the one TOS cast member who never actually had a romance plot, aside from things like mooning over Mudd's women with the rest of the crew. (Mirror Sulu sexually harassing Uhura doesn't count, since sexual harassment and assault are more about power than attraction. For all we know, he treated Chekov the same way offscreen.) So there's no compelling reason he couldn't be gay, or at least bi.
     
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  16. theenglish

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    I felt exactly the same way--if I had not read about the intention of that scene I probably would have assumed that it was his brother. Married into a Latino family I regularly hug my brothers-in-law and their adult male children kiss their dads on the cheek. In Western Africa it is very common for male friends to hold hands walking down the street.

    And this is true as well.
     
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  17. JoeZhang

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    Is there a term for this - where you present a character as LGBT+ in tie-in media or interviews but it's blink or you miss it onscreen?
     
  18. Jinn

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    I mean, it's not quite queerbaiting, but still pretty close?
     
  19. JD

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    I rewatched Captain Marvel on Disney+ today, and I loved it just as much as when I saw it in theaters.
     
  20. Grendelsbayne

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    I rewatched it last week and I've gotta say, although I liked it from the start I did consider it a bit disappointing in theaters, but it's growing on me with every rewatch. The parts I didn't care for don't seem as bad anymore and the good parts are even better. Guess that makes it the MCU version of Man of Steel for me (which I also was ambivalent about at first but now just generally love).