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Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"
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Two responses come to mind:
1. Because all this has happened before, and all this will happen again.
2.
Actually, although I was just trying to be funny with the Nero scene, it does beg the question: perhaps Commodore Oh is from the future?
Who knows, but please not from Discovery's future
It goes back to an old STAR WARS observation:
"Hey - Why DIDN'T the Imperials just shoot the Lifepod with C-3P0 and R2D2 regardless of the no lifeforms' reading?"
"Because then - STAR WARS would have been a VERY SHORT film; and not have made all that money..."
Same for Star Trek II:TWoK :
"Hey, how is it a Federation Starships sensors can't tell Ceti Alpha VI blew up (probably leaving a new ring of asteroids); or that Ceti Alpha V shifted orbit?"
"Because then, Chekov and Captain Terell would never have beamed down to get the mind slugs implanted and STII would have again been very short and boring..."
Also...why didn’t the Zhat Vash ever try to kill Data? Or Lore? Or B-4? Or Juliana Tainer? Or Noonien Soong, for that matter?
I think this is actually a reasonably sized plothole if the story indeed is that it is an ancient cabal that has been active practically forever and their goal is unambiguously eliminating all artificial intelligence.
Unpopular opinion time: If Oh references both Discovery and the Temporal Cold War I will be very intrigued.
A great, classic Riker line; it was awesome to hear him shout it again.
I actually tried it with Alexa -- said "Alexa: shields up!". She responded with something about setting her up to protect the house (an actual function). I was amused.
No one knew Juliana Tainer was an android except for her husband and a handful of the Enterprise crew. The Tal-Shiar had B-4 in their possession. Lore was in pieces hidden away, and later in bits in some Starfleet vault. Soong was in hiding, presumed dead. And Data was pretty well protected on the Federation flagship.
I will be positively giddy if Oh references some bearded guy named Lazarus in a bubble-shaped timeship.
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Seems like none of that should be a problem for a spy organization with unlimited resources whole sole purpose is to eliminate synthetic life.
Unless they haven't always had unlimited resources until this point in time.
If they predate the Romulan Empire, I'm pretty sure they always had anything they wanted.
And nobody knew Dahj and Soji were synthetic, but someone found out.
The Tal Shiar never had B-4. Shinzon did. And he hid B-4 on a planet right near the Neutral Zone which emitted positronic signatures. So the Zhat Vash could have found him as easily as the Enterprise did.
But between those times, he was active. And we don’t actually know what became of Lore.
Not when he was actively building his androids.
The Romulans successfully had a spy aboard the Enterprise in the guise of a Vulcan ambassador. Surely the Zhat Vash could have just as easily infiltrated it.
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Not necessarily. It can be an ancient cabal comprised of handful of lunatics.
Something this episode does remarkably well is be sensitive to Soji's situation. This is, perhaps, the most interesting the character has been during the series. I don't think it coincidental that there has not been a flurry of posts calling out her behavior toward Picard or describing her as impetuous.
I don't see how one tracks with the other.
Maybe that was the POINT of the Zaht Vash orchestrating the Mars attack. They weren't concerned about the situation with Romulus (it wasn't even a consideration one way or the other). They saw it as a way to make the Federation abandon synthetic life research, shut down or destroy any existing Androids, and make it easier for them to go after any rogue researchers in Federation space.
Well he did not say they did not eat free range, roaming road kill
Unless the UFP is a military dictatorship , Starfleet should not have the power to ban any medical procedure. It should be a decision of the Federation government, or the holy UFP is a military police state....(Twilight zone music plays)
Not if one lives on a colony. Not everyone lives on an Earthly paradise planet
Still waiting for the love instructors....
I find the idea that organisesd religion on Star Trek Earth loses its political power and theocracies are a thing of the past a good thing, but I would hope humans are diverse enough to accept other humans having religious or non religious beliefs as long as said beliefs are not harmful to others. I expect Vatican city still exists, the Dala Lama is still around and Islamic pilgrims still travel to Mecca even if its just to maintain ancient traditions. Today some card carrying atheists enjoy the Christmas season, they even buy presents and listen to carols! Gasp!
The idea that Star Trek Earth humans are a carbon copy of the fantasy image of modern day USA without religion, deserves to assimilated by the Borg.
I bet there are still humans in the 24th century who hope the writings of the Communist Manifesto will be available on Ferenghinar lol
However its a bit difficult to claim gendar, racial, and religious superiority after April 5th 2063, although Terra Prime did try.
I love how two incidents indicate that the Federation is dead...?
I am baffled that some fans think the TNG federation was this perfect place of peace and love that did everything right..
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