Jake Sisko the worst
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He was held for like an hour, and it was only ever meant to be temporary. He is detained as a precautionary measure because he hangs out at the "weekly resistance meetings." He wasn't being charged, nor was he going to be punished for anything.
And of course it makes a difference whether he is an adult. Sisko cannot punish Jake for staying behind. As a journalist, staying behind is what he wants and needs to do, and it paid off for him.
This Jake?
Or this Jake?
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same characterHe was held for like an hour, and it was only ever meant to be temporary. He is detained as a precautionary measure because he hangs out at the "weekly resistance meetings." He wasn't being charged, nor was he going to be punished for anything.
And of course it makes a difference whether he is an adult. Sisko cannot punish Jake for staying behind. As a journalist, staying behind is what he wants and needs to do, and it paid off for him.
This Jake?
Or this Jake?
Jake isn't the worst. What's the worst? - when a poster starts an ill-conceived firestarter thread and then ditches the convo.
I was just thinking that not too long before I saw your post. I am glad they learned from their mistake of making a kid that is almost an adult a brat and a show-off.
Wesley's mary sue offenses are mostly confined to the first season. And all the characters have weird lines of dialogue, or make weird decisions in the first season, and they are all arrogant and show offs. After that, Wesley is a pretty decent character. I've never thought of him as a brat.
Of course. It's just that... a few posts on this thread now have highlighted The Visitor as the definitive Jake Sisko episode, but that's the one Jake Sisko episode where the character is played almost entirely by a different actor. Why did they use a different actor when they always put other characters in make-up?
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Like putting makeup (and stilts) on Molly and having her play her 18 year-old self in "Time's Orphan."
Surely you can find an analogy that at least "rings true," if not actually appropriate. Yes, an 8 year playing a full grown young woman is the same as full grown(6 foot+ tall)young man playing a 25-year-old, or 35 year old, or 45 year old.
The guy was probably almost 18 at the time, and already taller than his tv dad.
Having lofton play a 25-30 year old would be more realistic than having Siddig play a 70 yr old, with his old man voice and what not.
I still don't see why the Visitor should be put forward as the definitive Jake Sisko experience by so many people when it's not the actor who plays him in every single other episode. Why not "Nor the Battle..." or "In the Cards"? Or even some of the younger B plots he has earlier on when he is actually still a kid?
Speaking of Jake and Nog, there was that episode where Jake and Nog got their own quarters on the station. They were roommates.
Anyway, there was the odd couple angle to the storyline. Jake was the lazy messy one, while Nog was the disciplined neat roommate. Imo, Nog became progressively more like Wesley. The more Nog became a by-the-book regimented cadet, I found the character less interesting.
Jake was the undisciplined writer. Jake wasn't perfect. While laziness (at least that was how Jake was portrayed in that episode) is not something that is admirable, I still found Jake to be the more realistic youngster. Jake did his own thing. He wasn't just a Starfleet toadie.
I did, also, admire Wesley after he chose not to further persue a Starfleet career, as his parents did; even though, it did appear that it was his father, in that vision quest, who gave him instructions to choose a different path.
On a side note, in the early seasons, I remember Jake used to wear what looked like onesies. It made him look like an overgrown toddler. In later seasons, he, at times, wore a vest. That looked kind of cool.
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Great! =) what would this place be without the occasional thread like this, i love it.
"Forget it, Jake ... it's the TrekBBS."
@DonIago pointed out why they could not use Lofton for that part. That doesn't make Jake a different character.
I'm sure someone in '74 was heard to say "Why couldn't they just youngify Brando and put him on a diet and also transform him into a child instead of using Baldini and De Niro? Not the same Vito."
He certainly does toughen up. He loses his naivety when he stays behind on the station at the start of season 6, he encounters up frnot danger in Nor the Battle
However he also has family moments - Explorers jumps out
Was he main character material? Probably not. They didn't want another "Wesley saves the day" character, but that limits the places a teenager can go while still
If Jake hadn't killed himself in The Visitor, that timeline would have remained, and the Dominion War wouldn't have happened (perhaps Leyton's coup succeeded and the Alpha Quadrant was fractured meaning the Dominion didn't bother invading -- it wasn't all roses in 2422)
The other argument I can see would be that if Jake hadn't gone to the Gamma Quadrant in The Jem'Hadar that the dominion would have left the federation alone. I don't buy that -- the Dominon destroyed a lot of ships, and New Bajor, before Eris encountered Sisko and co.
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How do you know that there wasn't a Dominion War in that timeline? From memory, there is a gap of approximately fifteen years between "now" and the nearest future shown. If it was as short a war as the one we saw, that still leaves them over a decade for life to get back to normal.
