Things that don't add up:

[Timo]

Sounds simple enough. The future probe data is the prize our villain wants to get at, because every villain needs a career goal. And since the villain is an AI, having the prize be an AI upgrade package makes much more sense than having it be, oh, a gold mine or a military triumph or whatever.

Also, if the AI is already a mean bastard, then having it strive for an upgrade really ups the ante! Conversely, had Control not been homicidal to begin with, an upgrade wouldn't feel particularly threatening.

The cool thing here is that Control isn't the only villain who ought to be interested in the data, because the clues about the future from the octoprobe are only a tiny fraction of it - a cue for Control to start striving for the real deal, the wealth of knowledge in the Red Sphere that did not come from the future at all. Part of this knowledge is useful for a mad AI, but other parts of it would be useful for any mad king or master criminal or well-meaning meddler who ends up destroying the universe with the data.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Amasov]

The Control story might have gone down better had there been some very small subtle hints in season 1 that maybe it wasn't working as intended, nothing major just little hints maybe in the middle of the season or towards the end.

And that was one of my biggest issues of the season. Control was identified as the villain of the season, but there was no build up to that being the case. It was just introduced to us out of the blue with zero foreshadowing. Before then, the mystery of the season was figuring out what the Red Angel was; that's how it was presented to us from the start. There were no baddies our crew had to contend with. To me, it would've been better served as an overall mystery to be solved rather than fight a villain who is definitely NOT going to destroy all life in the universe.

 

[Amasov]

Problem there is that Section 31 wasn't on the minds of anyone in the season 1 writer's room until the finale when they decided to throw in a scene establishing the Black Badges were Section 31.

And we see someone wearing a black badge in the third episode of season one, but, this is NEVER touched on again. Once it was established that the black badges were Section 31, retroactively now that means 31 was on board Discovery. Why? The series hasn't answered that question and I doubt they will.

 

[Discofan]

They never addressed how Spock could have a premonition of the seven signals when Burnham's Mom didn't know they existed. If it's Michael that sent him that message then how come we don't see her do that along with the other stuff?

 

[Lord Garth]

The series hasn't answered that question and I doubt they will.

This series won't. I agree. The S31 Series might.

 

[Discofan]

This series won't. I agree. The S31 Series might.

Anything's possible but I doubt it. Series are meant to be standalone so that new people who've never watched ST before can view them without being repelled by cryptic remarks.

 

[Lord Garth]

Anything's possible but I doubt it. Series are meant to be standalone so that new people who've never watched ST before can view them without being repelled by cryptic remarks.

I think it's safe to say most people watching S31 will have seen Discovery. Even if not, and the show brings in fans of Michelle Yeoh who aren't fans of Star Trek, enough information will be given so they're up to speed.

In the case of S31 mentioning Discovery, they can say what the project was -- among many projects they were, are, or will be working on. If Georgiou's in the series, they'll have to explain how she suddenly pops up. Unless they do that in a third season episode of DSC.

The series are separate from each other but that doesn't mean they'll be 100% separate and that they'll never refer to anything else from another series. That ship has already sailed.

 

[Amasov]

They never addressed how Spock could have a premonition of the seven signals when Burnham's Mom didn't know they existed. If it's Michael that sent him that message then how come we don't see her do that along with the other stuff?

And given that Spock mind-meleded with the red angel, I assume that he would have known it was Gabrielle all along.

 

[Discofan]

I think it's safe to say most people watching S31 will have seen Discovery. Even if not, and the show brings in fans of Michelle Yeoh who aren't fans of Star Trek, enough information will be given so they're up to speed.

In the case of S31 mentioning Discovery, they can say what the project was -- among many projects they were, are, or will be working on. If Georgiou's in the series, they'll have to explain how she suddenly pops up. Unless they do that in a third season episode of DSC.

The series are separate from each other but that doesn't mean they'll be 100% separate and that they'll never refer to anything else from another series. That ship has already sailed.

A reference is oK. Like when the Admiral says that they haven't been to K'Onos since Archer a hundred years before. What I am speaking of is constantly alluding to things that aren't in the series per. se.

 

[Discofan]

And given that Spock mind-meleded with the red angel, I assume that he would have known it was Gabrielle all along.

Unless, among her myriad of magical gizmos (never used by anyone in the federation, like whatever she used to move a village across the galaxy) she had a mind-meld personal stuff filter, Aka MMPSF, that allows her to remain anonymous.

 

[Lord Garth]

A reference is oK. Like when the Admiral says that they haven't been to K'Onos since Archer a hundred years before. What I am speaking of is constantly alluding to things that aren't in the series per. se.

I didn't say they'd "constantly allude". It can be something as simple as this:

Tyler: What are you doing here? I thought you were on Discovery.

Georgiou: I was. Now I'm back.

Third Person: What's she talking about?

Tyler: Section 31 was working in conjunction with Starfleet to develop an experimental form of propulsion, used by a classified starship called the USS Discovery. The ship was lost, and we thought Georgiou -- a former Section 31 operative -- was lost along with it.

Georgiou: Lost in the future, where it still is. But I found a way back. I see a lot has changed.

And that's all they need to say about Discovery if it comes up. IF it doesn't already happen in an episode of Discovery itself.

 

[Discofan]

I didn't say they'd "constantly allude". It can be something as simple as this:

Tyler: What are you doing here, I thought you were on Discovery?

Georgiou: I was. Now I'm back.

Third Person: What's she talking about?

Tyler: Section 31 was working in conjunction with Starfleet to develop an experimental form of propulsion, used by a classified starship called the USS Discovery. The ship was lost, and we thought Georgiou -- a former Section 31 operative -- was lost along with it.

Georgiou: Lost in the future. But I found a way back. I see a lot has changed.

And that's all they need to say about Discovery if it comes up.

You have a point about Georgiou needing to say how she got back from 930 in the future since that's where she was supposed to be. I don't know if: "I found a way back" is enough of an explanation though.

 

[Phoenix219]

I didn't say they'd "constantly allude". It can be something as simple as this:

Tyler: What are you doing here? I thought you were on Discovery.

Georgiou: I was. Now I'm back.

Third Person: What's she talking about?

Tyler: Section 31 was working in conjunction with Starfleet to develop an experimental form of propulsion, used by a classified starship called the USS Discovery. The ship was lost, and we thought Georgiou -- a former Section 31 operative -- was lost along with it.

Georgiou: Lost in the future, where it still is. But I found a way back. I see a lot has changed.

And that's all they need to say about Discovery if it comes up. IF it doesn't already happen in an episode of Discovery itself.

God... I must be *gasp* actually becoming a fan of Discovery. I actually heard Phillipa's voice in my head when I read that. With these writers, a throwaway line like that would definitely be believable.

 

[Lord Garth]

You have a point about Georgiou needing to say how she got back from 930 in the future since that's where she was supposed to be. I don't know if: "I found a way back" is enough of an explanation though.

Georgiou: Time Crystals are wonderful.

 

[Discofan]

Georgiou: Time Crystals are wonderful.

Yeah, Georgiou is the kind that would grab a time crystal and not be horrified by what she sees.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Yeah, Georgiou is the kind that would grab a time crystal and not be horrified by what she sees.

I love that woman.

 

[Delta Vega]

Maybe Georgiou never actually went with Discovery
Maybe she actually fled the ship after she disposed of Leland/Control
I speculated this before on other threads, it would certainly make it less complicated for her to appear in the Section 31 show, maybe after hiding away somewhere till the flak over Discovery's disappearance had died down ?
Maybe that doesn't add up

 

[Discofan]

Another thing that doesn't make much sense is Keyla Detmer. Where did she get her injury? It's never said, yet somehow implied that she got it at the binary's, but the last time we see her in that episode, she's looking at the Sarcophagus ship being severely disabled and all the functioning Klingon ships are gone!!! So where did she get that injury?

 

[XCV330]

Another thing that doesn't make much sense is Keyla Detmer. Where did she get her injury? It's never said, yet somehow implied that she got it at the binary's, but the last time we see her in that episode, she's looking at the Sarcophagus ship being severely disabled and all the functioning Klingon ships are gone!!! So where did she get that injury?

The sarcophagus ship might not have ended the battle. The remaining Klingons could have taken potshots at the escape capsules and continued to pick easy targets when the fed went into retreat. The Federation did not hold on to that territory.
Its possible she was injured later in the war between that battle and the time she got placed on Discovery but it's very likely it was during the initial battle.

 

[Discofan]

The sarcophagus ship might not have ended the battle. The remaining Klingons could have taken potshots at the escape capsules and continued to pick easy targets when the fed went into retreat. The Federation did not hold on to that territory.
Its possible she was injured later in the war between that battle and the time she got placed on Discovery but it's very likely it was during the initial battle.

Well, later in the war is more satisfactory as The Sarcophagus was but a drifting hulk after Georgiou's last coup de maître (bomb hidden in cadaver!).