Things that don't add up:

[XCV330]

Well, later in the war is more satisfactory as The Sarcophagus was but a drifting hulk after Georgiou's last coup de maître (bomb hidden in cadaver!).

It wasn't the only ship, however. The Federation weren't holding up well, their own chain of command was lost. The Klingons held the field and also had the giant cleave ship. one assumes it could also fire weapons. There's no reason to think the klingons threw up their hands and said "well, Tkuvma's toast. Take a smoke break everyone"

 

[Discofan]

It wasn't the only ship, however. The Federation weren't holding up well, their own chain of command was lost. The Klingons held the field and also had the giant cleave ship. one assumes it could also fire weapons. There's no reason to think the klingons threw up their hands and said "well, Tkuvma's toast. Take a smoke break everyone"

The Klingons were gone and Tkuvma's ship remained adrift for six months without assistance (they were starving!!). People took the time to take Georgiou's telescope from her ready room that they then sent to her will executor who sent it to Michael, who later gave it to Saru, who didn't deign to take it with him when Discovery was about to be destroyed, all he took was his sister's knife! All that doesn't seem likely if all the while they were fired upon by Klingon stragglers.

 

[XCV330]

The Klingons were gone and Tkuvma's ship remained adrift for six months without assistance (they were starving!!). People took the time to take Georgiou's telescope from her ready room that they then sent to her will executor who sent it to Michael, who later gave it to Saru, who didn't deign to take it with him when Discovery was about to be destroyed, all he took was his sister's knife! All that doesn't seem likely if all the while they were fired upon by Klingon stragglers.

I know in interviews that Emily Coutts has said her character sustained her injuries in the battle, she must have been given that information on her character backstory. About the only place it could have happened was after the ship of the dead was disabled. Again, just because the klingon fleet eventually left and departed doesnt mean there wasn't rear guard action at the end when starfleet retreated. it just wasnt important to the story.

 

[Discofan]

I know in interviews that Emily Coutts has said her character sustained her injuries in the battle, she must have been given that information on her character backstory. About the only place it could have happened was after the ship of the dead was disabled. Again, just because the klingon fleet eventually left and departed doesnt mean there wasn't rear guard action at the end when starfleet retreated. it just wasnt important to the story.

I know that that's what they're saying. I just think it's not very likely. However, YMMV.

 

[Timo]

Of course, the injuries could have come when Detmer ejected in a lifepod, and Saru one bench over held that freshly evacuated telescope the wrong way at just the wrong moment and poked out a perfectly good eye when the pod jerked to starboard and safety.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Discofan]

Of course, the injuries could have come when Detmer ejected in a lifepod, and Saru one bench over held that freshly evacuated telescope the wrong way at just the wrong moment and poked out a perfectly good eye when the pod jerked to starboard and safety.

Timo Saloniemi

And that's why she was mad at Michael! She learned that the telescope was destined to her and so it was her fault!

 

[Gonzo]

They never addressed how Spock could have a premonition of the seven signals when Burnham's Mom didn't know they existed. If it's Michael that sent him that message then how come we don't see her do that along with the other stuff?

Burnham will do the rest of it from the future probably.

It doesn't have to be done before they travel to the future.

Burnham will end up sending the premonition to Spock, which then begs the question as to who/how was it sent in the first place if it's a causality loop, there has to be an origin that started the sequence of events in the first place and it can't be the future evil AI nor can it be the supposed friendly AI onboard the Discovery we see in the short trek.

We assume that the whole loop started when Burnham's mother started messing with the Klingons and time but we know that there are other races involved via the temporal cold war.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Burnham will do the rest of it from the future probably.

It doesn't have to be done before they travel to the future.

Burnham will end up sending the premonition to Spock, which then begs the question as to who/how was it sent in the first place if it's a causality loop, there has to be an origin that started the sequence of events in the first place and it can't be the future evil AI nor can it be the supposed friendly AI onboard the Discovery we see in the short trek.

We assume that the whole loop started when Burnham's mother started messing with the Klingons and time but we know that there are other races involved via the temporal cold war.

It was Sillik in a future timesuit.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Maybe Georgiou never actually went with Discovery
Maybe she actually fled the ship after she disposed of Leland/Control
I speculated this before on other threads, it would certainly make it less complicated for her to appear in the Section 31 show, maybe after hiding away somewhere till the flak over Discovery's disappearance had died down ?
Maybe that doesn't add up

That's what I've been saying all along. A simple escape pod or emergency transport would be a way simpler explanation, occurring right before Discovery went on its way.

 

[Discofan]

What's funny is how fast they swept under the rug the "sensitive to light" thing. With Lorca, it was an important plot point and then mentioned once in relation to Georgiou... and then gone and forgotten!! Georgiou didn't even bother to dim the lighting in her quarters!!

 

[Phoenix219]

What's funny is how fast they swept under the rug the "sensitive to light" thing. With Lorca, it was an important plot point and then mentioned once in relation to Georgiou... and then gone and forgotten!! Georgiou didn't even bother to dim the lighting in her quarters!!

Lorca could have had surgery, but knew he was trying to go home. Georgiou can't go home, and has probably had the procedure done.

 

[Tenacity]

The scene where the universal translator doesn't work correctly.

Does the UT control everything they hear, and there's no natural hearing. Or is every last person on the ship speaking a unique language. Pike heard Burnham speaking Klingon, but if he was hearing both English and Klingon when Burnham spoke, shouldn't he have been able to sort out hearing both and have understood Burnham?

The way you can hear someone while in a crowded room with many speakers.

That's assuming that both spoke English.

 

[Discofan]

Lorca could have had surgery, but knew he was trying to go home. Georgiou can't go home, and has probably had the procedure done.

I doubt that. Lorca said: "I want to keep my OWN eyes.". Had Georgiou had that procedure done she would have had both eyes like Detmer's and I think we would have noticed.

 

[Discofan]

The scene where the universal translator doesn't work correctly.

Does the UT control everything they hear, and there's no natural hearing. Or is every last person on the ship speaking a unique language. Pike heard Burnham speaking Klingon, but if he was hearing both English and Klingon when Burnham spoke, shouldn't he have been able to sort out hearing both and have understood Burnham?

The way you can hear someone while in a crowded room with many speakers.

That's assuming that both spoke English.

You can cancel a noise with another noise, it's called an anti-noise, it's like anti-matter except in the noise department. Anyway, maybe the computer suppresses say Burnham's speech and replaces it by the same speech translated in Klingon (synthesizing Burnham's voice), which would explain why Pike only hears the Klingon version.

 

[Prax]

The scene where the universal translator doesn't work correctly.

Does the UT control everything they hear, and there's no natural hearing. Or is every last person on the ship speaking a unique language. Pike heard Burnham speaking Klingon, but if he was hearing both English and Klingon when Burnham spoke, shouldn't he have been able to sort out hearing both and have understood Burnham?

The way you can hear someone while in a crowded room with many speakers.

That's assuming that both spoke English.

The universal translator is an intelligent, semi conscious, all invasive technological marvel, and beyond the understanding of our puny brains.

I doubt that. Lorca said: "I want to keep my OWN eyes.". Had Georgiou had that procedure done she would have had both eyes like Detmer's and I think we would have noticed.

They could grow him a pair of eyes.

 

[Discofan]

...
They could grow him a pair of eyes.

They didn't do it for Detmer, not even for Geordi nearly a century later.

 

[Timo]

You can cancel a noise with another noise, it's called an anti-noise, it's like anti-matter except in the noise department. Anyway, maybe the computer suppresses say Burnham's speech and replaces it by the same speech translated in Klingon (synthesizing Burnham's voice), which would explain why Pike only hears the Klingon version.

The thing about the UT is that it does perfect lipsync.

So the easiest and most natural assumption is that it makes the speaker speak the language we both see and hear spoken. That is, it intercepts signals somewhere between the brain and the mouth (and correspondingly between the ear and the brain) and does the translating there. Thus, when it makes Burnham speak Klingon, it really makes her speak Klingon and Klingon only - her vocal cords don't generate any English.

Which fits the DSC scene perfectly, and most other UT happenstances more or less adequately. Where it fails is VOY "The 37s", where Janeway speaks through the UT to a crowd that cannot be wearing UTs of their own, and everybody hears Janeway speak in their native language (English for most, but Japanese for one character). But DSC doesn't repeat the VOY feat (or should we say goof?) and merely goes with the "UT simply equates knowledge of the language" interpretation.

They didn't do it for Detmer, not even for Geordi nearly a century later.

LaForge could have had replacement eyes in a heartbeat - he simply turned them down because he didn't want to downgrade from his vastly superior VISOR (see "Loud as a Whisper"). And the EMH made a new eye for Seven, who was a rather straightforward patient in only lacking said eye and not having damage to her optical nerve like LaForge.

Would it be difficult for somebody like Culber to make an eye for Detmer? Two decades later, McCoy can grow new kidneys bu giving the patient a single pill. And we never see him lament "If I only had (the ability to grow) a heart" in TOS, either. For all we know, new eyes are fairly simple to make in the 2250s already, but Detmer's damage is more extensive than that, as per the odd prosthetics covering quite a bit of her face.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Discofan]

The thing about the UT is that it does perfect lipsync.

So the easiest and most natural assumption is that it makes the speaker speak the language we both see and hear spoken. That is, it intercepts signals somewhere between the brain and the mouth (and correspondingly between the ear and the brain) and does the translating there. Thus, when it makes Burnham speak Klingon, it really makes her speak Klingon and Klingon only - her vocal cords don't generate any English.

That doesn't explain how three (or more) people would interact if each speaks a different language.

The only way that could work is if the computer translates to each in their own language.

Say Burham's (native) tongue is English,

Detmer's is German

and

Tilly's is Spanish.

When Burnham speaks (in English)

Detmer hears her speak in German

and

Tilly hears her speak in Spanish.

So, in conclusion, the words are not changed at the source but at the reception, likely with a device that each of them has inside their ear (that also cancels the real sound of the person's voice to avoid confusion).

Which fits the DSC scene perfectly, and most other UT happenstances more or less adequately. Where it fails is VOY "The 37s", where Janeway speaks through the UT to a crowd that cannot be wearing UTs of their own, and everybody hears Janeway speak in their native language (English for most, but Japanese for one character). But DSC doesn't repeat the VOY feat (or should we say goof?) and merely goes with the "UT simply equates knowledge of the language" interpretation.



LaForge could have had replacement eyes in a heartbeat - he simply turned them down because he didn't want to downgrade from his vastly superior VISOR (see "Loud as a Whisper"). And the EMH made a new eye for Seven, who was a rather straightforward patient in only lacking said eye and not having damage to her optical nerve like LaForge.

Would it be difficult for somebody like Culber to make an eye for Detmer? Two decades later, McCoy can grow new kidneys bu giving the patient a single pill. And we never see him lament "If I only had (the ability to grow) a heart" in TOS, either. For all we know, new eyes are fairly simple to make in the 2250s already, but Detmer's damage is more extensive than that, as per the odd prosthetics covering quite a bit of her face.

Timo Saloniemi

All that strained rationalization doesn't explain why Detmer didn't get a genuine-looking eye instead of the fake one that caused her so much anguish as she said at Airiam's burial.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

What was Tyler doing with L'Rell on the D-7 in the finale? The legitimacy of L'Rell's chancellorship was tied up in the idea that she'd killed Tyler for his alleged treachery.

Disco is a very enjoyable show, but it's like every scene of every episode is calibrated for maximum excitement and emotion, even when it completely invalidates something that happened earlier that was also calibrated for maximum excitement and emotion. It's a great show to watch if you have short-term memory loss, is what I'm saying.

 

[Discofan]

What was Tyler doing with L'Rell on the D-7 in the finale? The legitimacy of L'Rell's chancellorship was tied up in the idea that she'd killed Tyler for his alleged treachery.

True but I notice that in Disco there is a real effort to maintain a modicum of coherence throughout the season and even the series.

In that area, with all its flaws, is way better than all the other series that seem to have a knack for complete incoherence even inside of an episode sometimes. Why would Daniels come back to life and Silik remain dead for example? Other than one is a good guy and the other is not, there is no explanation for that.

Disco is a very enjoyable show, but it's like every scene of every episode is calibrated for maximum excitement and emotion, even when it completely invalidates something that happened earlier that was also calibrated for maximum excitement and emotion. It's a great show to watch if you have short-term memory loss, is what I'm saying.

The same can be said of all the ST series.