They weren't making a secret out of Discovery in the sense that they were pretending it and the crew never existed, it was to prevent people involved in the battle from stating the truth of what happened and keep the cover up going.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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They weren't making a secret out of Discovery in the sense that they were pretending it and the crew never existed, it was to prevent people involved in the battle from stating the truth of what happened and keep the cover up going.
My subtitles says he said Noona.
Since the Nanites were what was controlling Leland, turning the Spore Chamber into a Make Shift EMP of ridiculous levels should be enough to screw up all the electronics in the Nanites. That should be enough to wipe out all the data, cold stop.
IRL, using ultra powerful magnets is a valid way to erase Hard Drives.
Well, felt like the kind of finale I'd expect from Discovery. I enjoyed it okay, but this finale (like the last one) has a lot of really weird logic problems and odd decisions.
All the little niggles too, (the stuff that doesn't break the episode but make you go 'Huh?') like the indestructible blast door (the explosion takes out a massive chunk of the saucer but doesn't even singe the door?) or Discovery still going hell-bent for leather into the rift after hearing that Control is already (reasonably easily) neutralized.
Discovery has fumbled two out of two finales so far, for me. Fingers crossed they don't make it three.
Yeah that was nuts on so many levels - Star Wars level of health and safety.
Internal blast doors won't be any tougher that the main hull, certainly not enough to stop a blast that close. That's not dumber than only having an emergency lever on one side of the door though. A line confirming that the lever on the other side was damaged would have made more sense.
A cheap special effect showing that the internal forcefield was reinforcing the door so as the majority of the blast is directed outwards would make a bit more sense, otherwise why didn't the internal walls of adjacent compartments stop the blast.
I didn't really get the emergency bulkhead fixing the ceiling either. Logistically, how much redundancy can you build to fix a hole in the ceiling at every point of the ship? Your bulkhead is most likely going to be trashed along with your ceiling. This is where an emergency forcefield should come in, assuming that the emitters are not damaged too. The bulkheads job is to seal adjacent compartments that are away from the damage. The forcefield probably is used to give personnel a chance to evacuate before the section is sealed. No use to our heroes at all.
If Control is vulnerable to electro-magnetism, they could have just tasered him.
I don‘t feel they were very clear in what it is they were actually trying to keep secret. It sure seemed like they wanted to accomplish that it won‘t seem odd that Spock never talks about Michael in The Original Series later on. Just keeping secret their and her fate doesn‘t really accomplish that.
The way I see it is without the time jump it was destined to be a temporary victory similar to when they destroyed the Section 31 base after Project Daedalus. Control was absent again from the 23rd century but would have found a way back in.
I thought this was just awful. I‘m only on my phone at this moment, so I won‘t be able to write much. But boy, I did expect so much more from this finale. I‘m kinda dumbfounded at how many seem to have enjoyed this convoluted illogical mess of an episode. I almost feel stupid for not being able to just sit back and enjoy it more.
Just a couple of thoughts: Why was the ship fully manned when they made such a big point last week of the small group of people staying on the ship? Why did they only begin now to build the suit when they seemed to have so much time last week for all the goodbyes? And: Where and why did they initially see seven red signals, when there had only been five? Why was the red signal above Terralysium of any importance? Why does a door protect Pike from a torpedo blast? Why did they mention Number One‘s name mid-episode only to revert back to mysteriousness in the debriefing? Why couldn‘t they magnetize (or whatever) the floor beneath Leland earlier, like Spock did a couple of episodes ago? Why did they make a point of the crystal being only able to do ONE jump, when they did several this episode? Why did they still have to travel to the future if Control was disabled? And the mother of all (at least for me): Why the hell would they make a secret out of the Discovery and all people onboard? And how the fuck would that even work realistically? I‘m sorry, but this doesn‘t make even a lick of sense.
Sorry, I‘m just so massively disappointed in the finale and what this season, which started out so promising and had so many highlights, has come to. I can‘t honestly say I care how this show continues at this point.
To answer your questions
1. They couldn't fit 100 people in that corridor intersection so these were the crew's reps.
2. They had to wait until the suit was fabricated before putting it together.
3. The last two signals were created this episode.
4. It was where they got their first pics of the Red Angel.
5. Its described as a blast door. It's designed to block blasts.
6. She was being flippant.
7. Given that when the Discovery is damaged it creates chuncks instead of shards, its probably made of composite materials that can't be magnetized, which is why Georgiou lead him to a floor that could be magnetized.
8. The crystal only had enough power to make one jump forwards in time and that would be 950 years. Backwards took less energy as it was only a short period of time.
9. Control may still exist in backup form or in another persons body elsewhere and other AIs may come along who might make use of the sphere data.
10. You make the knowledge and information classified and illegal to discuss. The Federation doesn't have a freeflow of information like we have and never has in any series.
That story point I didn’t get either. Control wasn‘t from the future, was it? It was just the regular 23rd century threat assessment AI from Section 31 gone rogue, which, with the help of the sphere data, could have evolved into the threat that destroyed all life in the future. The one where Burnmum lives.
My subtitles says he said Noona.
Perhaps a disconnect between the script and the people doing captions?
So, now we'll have to wait until probably April 2020 to see what happened to the U.S.S. Discovery crew and Burnham. I know it's for the best quality-wise, but man, it's a long wait.
The control they were fighting was a version of Control which had been taken over by code send by Control from the future. It wasn't wholly future control, which is why it needed the sphere data to become what the future version was but clearly couldn't send all of itself to the past and/or current computer systems weren't entirely compatible with a program 500 years more sophisticated.. Imagine trying to load Windows 10 on a Commodore 64.
We'll get short Trek's and the Picard show in the meantime. By all accounts the Picard show isn't going to be TNG redux, so may have more in common with Disco than the 90s shows.
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In a free society, secrets do not stay hidden for long. They are gradually revealed.
I was underwhelmed by this episode.
I was amazed by how strong these two ships were, considering how quickly Starfleet ships went down in the past. How long did it take for the Kelvin universe Enterprise to fall victim to the swam ships? How long did it take for the Melbourne to become disabled after losing nearly half of her saucer to a Borg attack?
I was underwhelmed by this episode.
I was amazed by how strong these two ships were, considering how quickly Starfleet ships went down in the past. How long did it take for the Kelvin universe Enterprise to fall victim to the swam ships? How long did it take for the Melbourne to become disabled after losing nearly half of her saucer to a Borg attack?
*yawn*
I’m getting really tired of read that “the writers have no idea what their doing” and “they have no plan for the show”.
Just cause YOU might not like what’s happened or where the shows heading, doesn’t mean this isn’t exactly what has been planned all along. Most fans of the show who are not “in the know” would have no idea the show runners were fired mid season. There’s no proof their original ideas were scrapped- show runners aren’t the only people working on the show. The whole writers room wasn’t replaced. Pretty much every loose end and plot point from the entire season was tied up in the final, and I find it very unlikely that these were changed halfway through the season.
If you don’t like the show, that’s cool. Just cause you’re a Trek fan doesn’t mean you have to love every incarnation of it. There are hours of other Trek shows to occupy yourself with. If you don’t like Discovery, move the fuck on with your life and stop trying to tear it, the actors, writers, producers, and genuine fans of the show down.
The idea of Discovery is to do something different in the Trek universe- bring new fans into the fold who enjoy other big budget, high concept, seasonal arch tv shows. Plus I know countless people who didn’t grow up with Trek, becoming fans of DSC and then exploring the back catalogue of shows. I for one feel a sense of loss now this season is over. I have enjoyed speculating the season ending and joyfully anticipate every Friday night when a new episode goes up on Netflix. I hope their are many more season of DSC to come! The final episode was stunning, and has left me excited for where the writers are taking us.
I’m getting really tired of read that “the writers have no idea what their doing” and “they have no plan for the show”.
Just cause YOU might not like what’s happened or where the shows heading, doesn’t mean this isn’t exactly what has been planned all along. Most fans of the show who are not “in the know” would have no idea the show runners were fired mid season. There’s no proof their original ideas were scrapped- show runners aren’t the only people working on the show. The whole writers room wasn’t replaced. Pretty much every loose end and plot point from the entire season was tied up in the final, and I find it very unlikely that these were changed halfway through the season.
If you don’t like the show, that’s cool. Just cause you’re a Trek fan doesn’t mean you have to love every incarnation of it. There are hours of other Trek shows to occupy yourself with. If you don’t like Discovery, move the fuck on with your life and stop trying to tear it, the actors, writers, producers, and genuine fans of the show down.
The idea of Discovery is to do something different in the Trek universe- bring new fans into the fold who enjoy other big budget, high concept, seasonal arch tv shows. Plus I know countless people who didn’t grow up with Trek, becoming fans of DSC and then exploring the back catalogue of shows. I for one feel a sense of loss now this season is over. I have enjoyed speculating the season ending and joyfully anticipate every Friday night when a new episode goes up on Netflix. I hope their are many more season of DSC to come! The final episode was stunning, and has left me excited for where the writers are taking us.
I missed he named her at all. Points for observationMy subtitles says he said Noona.
Ok I give it 8, I wanted to give it a 10 but the ending seemed a bit too mmmm. Never mention Discovery again on pain of treason, never mention that you had a sister or a foster daughter? Will the 200 plus crew of Enterprise keep what really happened a secret? No galactic wikileaks in the 23rd century? Will Amanda and Sarek pretend Michael never existed when the neighbours or fellow diplomats ask how Spock and Michael are doing? How did Kelpians learn to fly a ship so quickly? I thought only a few crew were following Burnham, Discovery looked packed.
However loved the battle scenes, Admiral Cornwall got a great death, love that Number One's, first name is Number One (joke for the fans, right?), great to see the Klingons on the scene, the parting scene with Spock and Michael very touching, the time loop thing, I did not see that coming, the TOS music nice touch. All in all a 8 for viewing and a 10 if I don't think too hard
However loved the battle scenes, Admiral Cornwall got a great death, love that Number One's, first name is Number One (joke for the fans, right?), great to see the Klingons on the scene, the parting scene with Spock and Michael very touching, the time loop thing, I did not see that coming, the TOS music nice touch. All in all a 8 for viewing and a 10 if I don't think too hard
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[*Sitting alone in Vulcan Space Central station, glancing down at chronometer*]
"Well, that's a load."
(*Seinfeld popping music*)
Kind of how Archer and his senior officers testified to flag officers at Starfleet Command about the mission into the Delphic Expanse and search for the Xindi superweapon and then had those details classified and buried.
Leland was alone more than once on board Discovery. They'd have to be crazy to just assume there wasn't more of him hidden away somewhere.
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