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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

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With Control out of the picture, I think they could go back but the end of Season 2 felt pretty final about where Discovery stands with the 23rd Century. "We'll never mention Burnham or Discovery or the Spore Drive... because TOS angry fanboys".

I'm fine with them going to another time if that's where the story goes. I've said this several times before. But it's another issue if it's because they were bullied into it.

I hope it's more from one column than the other.

I find this quite funny

TOS was the VASTLY superior show to discovery and yes, fans of that show don't like it's continuity trampled on.

It's akin to say, The Lord Of The Rings, another classic genre property, if they released a 6/10 TV show based on that which rewrote Gandalf as a drunk and that really Frodo didn't take the ring to mordor but a new character did, and Aragon had a best friend called Fred who was never seen before but was secretly always there and saved middle earth.

Like yeah, they wouldn't like it.

Discovery needed to stand on its own merit.

It's not that "continuity fanboy nerds" are angry that it's changed things

They are angry that a MIDDLING quality show is changing things, Discovery isn't a good enough show to have the right to rewrite the lore of an all time classic show.

Discovery needs to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and concentrate on just being a decent TV show
 
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Looks like my gym teacher from elementary school.
 
With Control out of the picture, I think they could go back but the end of Season 2 felt pretty final about where Discovery stands with the 23rd Century. "We'll never mention Burnham or Discovery or the Spore Drive... because TOS angry fanboys."

I'm fine with them going to another time if that's where the story goes. I've said this several times before. But it's another issue if it's because they were bullied into it.

I hope it's more from one column than the other.

TBH, I think the scale of the stories they want to tell is an ill fit for the pre-TOS setting. If every universe-shattering season is going to end with "we can never speak of this again," I'd just as soon they move to a different time, I think. Ideally one where it's not preordained that the universe continues unshattered.
 
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I find this quite funny

TOS was the VASTLY superior show to discovery and yes, fans of that show don't like it's continuity trampled on.

It's akin to say, The Lord Of The Rings, another classic genre property, if they released a 6/10 TV show based on that which rewrote Gandalf as a drunk and that really Frodo didn't take the ring to more or but a new character did.

Like yeah, they wouldn't like it.

Discovery needed to stand on its own merit.

It's not that "continuity fanboy nerds" are angry that it's changed things

They are angry that a MIDDLING quality show is changing things, Discovery isn't a good enough show to have the right to rewrite the lore of an all tune classic show.
Yeah, NO.
TOS was great but DISCOVERY is also great.
Nothing DISCOVERY has shown us "tramples" on anything from TOS.
In fact, DISCOVERY has added to the tapestry of TOS in huge ways.

And that's coming from an Original viewer and hardcore believer of TOS.
 
I find this quite funny

TOS was the VASTLY superior show to discovery and yes, fans of that show don't like it's continuity trampled on.

It's akin to say, The Lord Of The Rings, another classic genre property, if they released a 6/10 TV show based on that which rewrote Gandalf as a drunk and that really Frodo didn't take the ring to more or but a new character did.

Like yeah, they wouldn't like it.

Discovery needed to stand on its own merit.

It's not that "continuity fanboy nerds" are angry that it's changed things

They are angry that a MIDDLING quality show is changing things, Discovery isn't a good enough show to have the right to rewrite the lore of an all tune classic show.

I don't think DSC is a middling show but, putting that aside, I think Discovery could've been Gone With the Wind or The Wizard of Oz level quality and they still would've taken issue.
 
To be honest, I'd rather watch a pike series than discovery anymore. That was perhaps the worst discovery episode ever. Only made good by pike.
 
I find this quite funny

TOS was the VASTLY superior show to discovery and yes, fans of that show don't like it's continuity trampled on.

It's akin to say, The Lord Of The Rings, another classic genre property, if they released a 6/10 TV show based on that which rewrote Gandalf as a drunk and that really Frodo didn't take the ring to mordor but a new character did, and Aragon had a best friend called Fred who was never seen before but was secretly always there and saved middle earth.

Like yeah, they wouldn't like it.

Discovery needed to stand on its own merit.

It's not that "continuity fanboy nerds" are angry that it's changed things

They are angry that a MIDDLING quality show is changing things, Discovery isn't a good enough show to have the right to rewrite the lore of an all time classic show.

Discovery needs to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and concentrate on just being a decent TV show

There is nothing in the history of entertainment that I like more than TOS, and I don't feel that way at all. Quite the contrary, actually. The backstory that DSC has created adds to my enjoyment of the original.
 
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I liked it! I just wish I knew where they ended up. I guess I am to assume they ended up in the 930 years in the future instead of the 28th century rumor
 
The complaints about "continuity police" and such in this topic are unfair. Yes, some people get hung up on continuity, but when the writers put really dorky lines like "no holograms ever again" and "let's never mention Discovery ever again", I really don't think that's what continuity fans are advocating for. If anything, it annoys them even more, because Kurtzman's much-vaunted grand plan to tie everything into TOS turned out to be a lame duck. Rather than work with the new material, it's all been literally shot into oblivion, straight through the wormhole of (apparently) no return.

I'm not sure if I'm a "continuity police" officer, but I do think since they've intentionally tied the show - both temporally and plot-wise - to an existing series, they should make sure everything very broadly checks out. As it stands, it feels like they threw a bunch of new ideas at us that they knew didn't quite fit, and instead of thinking of interesting ways to try and fit their new ideas into the overall story, they just put all the toys back in the box at the last second and handwaved it with a few jarring lines, which is irritating to Discovery fans and critics alike, when I'm sure a reasonably satisfactory and thematically interesting explanation of how this all fits together would have pleased both camps much more.
 
Is the Michelle Yeoh spinoff dead and she's a reg in Disco now? Hard to reconcile the spin off with her in the future...
 
The complaints about "continuity police" and such in this topic are unfair. Yes, some people get hung up on continuity, but when the writers put really dorky lines like "no holograms ever again" and "let's never mention Discovery ever again", I really don't think that's what continuity fans are advocating for. If anything, it annoys them even more, because Kurtzman's much-vaunted grand plan to tie everything into TOS turned out to be a lame duck. Rather than work with the new material, it's all been literally shot into oblivion, straight through the wormhole of (apparently) no return

I'm not sure if I'm a "continuity police" officer, but I do think since they've intentionally tied the show - both temporally and plot-wise - to an existing series, they should make sure everything very broadly checks out. As it stands, it feels like they threw a bunch of new ideas at us that they knew didn't quite fit, and instead of thinking of interesting ways to try and fit their new ideas into the overall story, they just put all the toys back in the box at the last second and handwaved it with a few jarring lines, which is irritating to Discovery fans and critics alike, when I'm sure a reasonably satisfactory and thematically interesting explanation of how this all fits together would have pleased both camps much more.

Or perhaps no change or explanation whatsoever since what they were doing was just fine.


And I fail to see how criticisms of the continuity police are unfair.
 
Is the Michelle Yeoh spinoff dead and she's a reg in Disco now? Hard to reconcile the spin off with her in the future...
NO, the Section-31 show is definitely a go, but not until after the third season of DISCOVERY.

At which point we'll find out just how They plan on putting the MU Georgieu character into place.
 
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