USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Yistaan]

So they turned it back to the way it looked 10 years before? (the previously on used Season 1 footage for the exterior of the Enterprise, not 'The Cage') How does that make sense?

I'm not saying it does. It's just what the evidence says, and I go by that. I'm not saying it makes sense at all.

Spock: "An ancestor of mine maintained, when you have eliminated the impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

The video evidence shows the bridges are different. That they are the same is impossible on side by side inspection.

As such, when we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Improbable as it is, the Enterprise went through a refit between Cage and Disc, and another Disc and TOS. It might be as simple as a voice command that easily reconfigures the bridge like a desktop theme.

Using Spock (and Sherlock Holmes) logic here. I have pointed this out using logic Spock himself would use, as seen in the quote.

 

[Dukhat]

It's because CBS isn't dumb

If by not being 'dumb,' you mean CBS's marketing department decided to call a new Trek show a prequel to another Trek show to get more people to sign up for CBSAA even though the former show doesn't look or feel remotely like the latter show, then yes, CBS isn't dumb.

 

[BillJ]

The saucer edge has the rabbit tooth windows, but I think there are some round windows just above the sensor dome that could be close enough together to be the briefing room.

The angle of the windows would have to put it on the saucer rim.

 

[Tuskin38]

Pretty sure they intended the conference room here

If by not being 'dumb,' you mean CBS's marketing department decided to call a new Trek show a prequel to another Trek show to get more people to sign up for CBSAA even though the former show doesn't look or feel remotely like the latter show, then yes, CBS isn't dumb.

No, they knew a modern audience wouldn't accept a bridge design made in the 1960s.

Not everyone is a hardcore fan.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Also for what it's worth, James Cawley posted on Facebook that he sent the Disco people hundreds of TOS jelly bean buttons, some of which are used on the corners of the perimeter consoles. I think it's cool that a little bit of the original lives on in this version.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm not saying it does. It's just what the evidence says, and I go by that. I'm not saying it makes sense at all.

Spock: "An ancestor of mine maintained, when you have eliminated the impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

The video evidence shows the bridges are different. That they are the same is impossible on side by side inspection.

As such, when we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Improbable as it is, the Enterprise went through a refit between Cage and Disc, and Disc and TOS.

Using Spock (and Sherlock Holmes) logic here.

You're overthinking something that already has an answer.

 

[Yistaan]

You're overthinking something that already has an answer.

Considering it's fiction, you are free to choose your answer and I'm free to choose mine. Until a TOS episode is outright reshot with the new bridge and replaces the old episode, neither answer has been canonized.

This whole discussion started because I referenced my PC downgrade at work, and did not involve you (or any other poster) to begin with.

The "refit" of the Enterprise bridge from Pike's shiny one to Kirk's drab one (chronologically, in-universe) reminds me of the time my office "upgraded" my work desktop PC to a far weaker laptop on a dock (just in case I needed to work travel).

It's not going to turn into the TOS one.

 

[Dukhat]

No, they knew a modern audience wouldn't accept a bridge design made in the 1960s.

Not everyone is a hardcore fan.

Funny, it was accepted in both DS9 and ENT.

Don't underestimate what fans, even non-hardcore fans, will or won't accept.

 

[Tuskin38]

Funny, it was accepted in both DS9 and ENT.

Those were also homages. This isn't.

 

[Dukhat]

Those were also homages. This isn't.

They were integral parts of the stories. That's different from a homage. An homage is something like a desktop model of the Galileo shuttlecraft in Counselor Troi's room.

 

[Yistaan]

By the hardcore fans. Those were also homages. This isn't.

And the producers have been gracious enough to let both sides have their cake.

One set can believe there was a refit, the other can believe it always looked that way.

Why can't fans on each side believe what they want? Let us believe what we want. No one's preventing you from believing they were always the same. As I mentioned, my post did not even involve you or any other poster to start.

 

[Tuskin38]

They were integral parts of the stories. That's different from a homage.

Well for one DS9 used actual footage from TOS so it would have been pretty hard to change it.
And it was specifically made for the anniversary of the series.

Plus Ent Season 4 was just fanwank central, and headed by fans of TOS.

Discovery isn't either of those.

 

[Dukhat]

Well for one DS9 used actual footage from TOS so it would have been pretty hard to change it. And it was specifically made for the anniversary of the series.

So? It was still accepted just fine.

Plus Ent Season 4 was just fanwank central, and headed by fans of TOS.

And that has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Tuskin38]

So? It was still accepted just fine.

So it's not applicable to what Discovery is doing.

And that has nothing to do with what I said.

That's the reason why the used original designs barely updating them.

 

[Jesse1066]

The angle of the windows would have to put it on the saucer rim.

Well regardless of where it is now, it isn't on deck 2 directly under the bridge.

 

[Dukhat]

So it's not applicable to what Discovery is doing.

I'm not talking about Discovery. I'm talking about what fans will or won't accept. And twice now, they've accepted the TOS aesthetic in other more modern Trek shows.

That's the reason why the used original designs barely updating them.

They didn't need to be updated.

 

[Styleset]

Pretty sure they intended the conference room here

No, they knew a modern audience wouldn't accept a bridge design made in the 1960s.

Not everyone is a hardcore fan.

1. I have read in other reputable places that those circular lighted areas are not windows, but some kind of device that helps the ship function. Plus they are way too large to be those windows. The edge of the saucer has to be at least two decks tall.

Below is an image of the model made by Anovos. They were using official digital designs to construct these physical models. The window below the bridge, though still too small to see well, look to me to be about right. Granted, there are lots of versions out there. I think this one has legitimacy and can confirm my theory.

 

[Tomalak]

533 pages of the same arguments.

Can't we get back to talking about how great the Enterprise sets looked?

 

[Tuskin38]

I have read in other reputable places that those circular lighted areas are not windows, but some kind of device that helps the ship function.

None of that is canon to the show.

 

[STR]

That's a pretty nice update!
The one thing I wish they kept was the additional row of over-head monitors above the stations, with the funky pictures of space and graphics. They gave the bridge a nice height, whereas the new version looks pretty flat. Also the open corridor going around is weird.

Of course the new bridge is flatter. TOS was shot in a 4:3 (1.333:1) NTSC aspect ratio. Discovery S2 is shot in an ultra wide 2.4:1 cinematic format. It's about twice as wide as the TOS frame. The sets are built and shot accordingly.

Adding the extra row of displays would necessitate raising the ceiling, and possibly widening the bridge to compensate. The end result would look a lot like the massive, open Discovery bridge set. Or they keep the footprint and you still have really tall walls. Either way all the people still look small compared to the large open (un-shiplike) space.