Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x12 - "Through the Valley of Shadows"
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I really should have recognized that.
All you need is a starship and an intermix formula or a slingshot around a star to travel in time. Failing that, you can travel to the Guardian of Forever and jump through a hole in wall. There's also the Orb of Time. Anytime prior to 2269 a trip to Sarpeidon could do the trick.
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About the Borg
Before the mid-2350s, the Borg were known to the Federation through second and third hand reports. The Hansens went looking for the truth behind these accounts.
In 2362, the Borg assimilated the crew of the Federation starship Tombaugh.
So, the Borg knew about the Federation before 2365.
It was Q's action in that year which seems to have spurred the Borg into changing their attitudes about the Federation. Instead of being contented with a ship or facility here or there, the Borg wanted the whole enchilada.
Before the mid-2350s, the Borg were known to the Federation through second and third hand reports. The Hansens went looking for the truth behind these accounts.
In 2362, the Borg assimilated the crew of the Federation starship Tombaugh.
So, the Borg knew about the Federation before 2365.
It was Q's action in that year which seems to have spurred the Borg into changing their attitudes about the Federation. Instead of being contented with a ship or facility here or there, the Borg wanted the whole enchilada.
Don't forget the signal the assimilated vessel in Enterprise sent, it was expected to arrive in the Delta Quadrant by the 24th century.
Also they were already destroying outposts along both sides of the Neutral Zone before Q did anything.
And even that only assumes that Boreth is the only planet in the universe where they occur.
Which is statistically unlikely.
Yes, like that. They specifically changed lithium crystals to dilithium crystals, because lithium was a real substance. Unfortunately it didn't quite work out... They had better luck with changing lasers to phasers.
“A rose by any other name...” They’re infinity stones. One thing DSC is very good at is homages to other sci-fi/genre. They’ve done Star Wars Stargate Rashomon Matrix to name a few off the top of my head, and with Time Crystals, a bit of Marvel.
Time Crystals is “Threshold”-level bad Star Trek.
Fuck
I wish I hadn't checked this thread out before I've saw the episode
Just can't help myself
I wish I hadn't checked this thread out before I've saw the episode
Just can't help myself
No shit. And we find out that his eventual situation is the result of his selfless act of bravery and heroism.Poor Pike.
What an episode for Anson Mount. IMO, Captain Pike's arc is more interesting than Lorca's and Mount is hitting it out of the park. I can't recall a more anguishing situation for a Trek captain. Like everyone, I found the scenes in which we see what happens to Pike absolutely gut wrenching. Not only have we seen evidence of why he is considered one of Starfleet's greatest captains, he is also just a great guy and quite relatable.
I really wish there was a way he could avoid the inevitable, but that would take away from the overall gravitas of Pike's decision to seal his fate.
Really liked the Klingon monks. They appeared to definitely Klingon, but honorable. Glad to see that Tyle and L'Rell have finally come to an understanding.
At first I thought Gant was just a red shirt, but when Spock volunteered to take his place doing the (whatever), I got suspicious. Loved how Burnham listened to Gant closely enough to know exactly when he started to go off the rails.
Looks like it's gonna get real, next week.
The Guardian was a big deal because of the time travel aspect. The Orb of Time is not a natural mineral deposit; it’s a sophisticated piece of technology from another universe. The slingshot is the most perplexing one...but you do need a warp-capable civilization, with sturdy enough a ship, and some sophisticated math (also a way to recrystallize dilithium if you’d like to return to wherever). In the literature the Reeves-Stevenses I think in the DS9 Millennium Trilogy came up with a reason it’s more complex than that too or more peoples would attempt/succeed at it.
No, they are Star Trek level Star Trek. And homages is what Star Trek as done, again, since day one. It is one big grab bag of science fiction. Also, everything you quote were actually copied from from earlier sources. This is kind of what all film and tv does.
Again, as much as you want them to be, there are no Infinity GemsTM in the Star Trek franchise.
The slingshot is probably the easiest. Also, whatever Lazarus did in "The Alternative Factor" to jump universes.
Everyone will vary on what level of technobabble is acceptable. No, time crystals are no different than anything else (including dilithium, especially if the right type can get you to infinite speeds) but not everyone will enjoy it.
There's nothing we've seen to disprove that time crystals aren't also sophisticated technology either. They could easily be the remant tech of a highly advanced ancient civilization, just as the Guardian of Forever was, or originated outside the universe, just as the orbs were.
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Oooh, Preservers connection
And every story is The Odyssey too? It doesn’t matter if it’s a retelling or homage. It matters what aspects you choose to retell and how you do it.
Re Trek mistakes, the fact that Trek’s f’d Up before is precedent, not excuse. You could do a Trek movie with normalized misogyny too, and by your definition it’s hunky dory Star Trek.
But thanks for being argumentative.
They’ve done interesting drama with their crystals that I like, but it’s icky that they’re going hard on the fantasy in this area. Especially when they’re done time travel better before.
That’s rationalization and not how they’re presented. Though it’d make more sense.
DSC's Boreth has a very high fantasy feel to it. Cool visuals, but still 
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It also apparently matters who is in the audience, because people fixated on certain things will see those things in outsized emphasis in whatever they are watching. So yes, for some people fixated on The Odyssey will see the Odyssey in a lot more things than people who are not.
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