Stupid Stuff in TNG

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  1. MAGolding

    MAGolding Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    When I was a child my mother asked me if I remembered things which happened around my second birthday and I didn't remember them. My earliest memories must be from about age three I guess.
     
  2. Discofan

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    With holo-emitters all over the ship, you don't need a crew, a holographic crew could do most of the work... a couple of people could run a galaxy class ship!!!
     
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  3. Timo

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    Having tractor emitters right next to the shuttlebay doors is practical, I guess, and made graphically explicit in DSC of late. But even with the fancy tilted doorways of TNG, the ability to steer the shuttle or other object cuts off at the most inconvenient point imaginable - said doorway! Emitters dangling on poles or extra emitters indoors would make good sense, then.

    (The silly console would be an emergency backup brought out only because this shuttlepod was drifting out of control - and the nice tape on the floor telling people to stay out of the firing line of this emergency emitter would of course really be just a projection, not actual tape. :devil: )

    "Time Squared" just happens to be the first and foremost episode to drive home the fact that the doorway is not tilted! We see the vertical opening from multiple angles, and there's no sign of the sloping walls of the ship's spine there. At least other eps had the decency to stick to straight-on shooting angles.

    Or is the bay itself tilted in relation to every other deck inside the ship...?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  4. Lance

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    Admittedly true, which the Andy Dick episode kinda confirms too :D

    (Sorry to keep referencing it as the Andy Dick episode rather than episode title, but its 1am in the morning where I am and my brain has turned to mush ;) Lol)
     
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  5. Finn

    Finn Bad Batch of TrekBBS Admiral

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    I did found that confusing. But they did seem to leave the nature of their mission vague. Also, it is possible it wasn't meant to be for 75 years, but perhaps several months. It also could have been led by a rogue Klingon leader who didin't consult with the high council or his superiors- wouldn't be inconsistent with what we've seen.

    There was no holo-Data in that scene. Just Worf and Data along with several background extras.
     
  6. Timo

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    The mission of the sleeper ship probably had nothing to do with the eventual actions of the sleeper ship. These Klingons just found themselves in the middle of UFP colonies where they were expecting to find something else - it would be natural for them to deduce the UFP had won big time, in which case the only thing left for them to do was indeed to die gloriously.

    Of course, one of us could write a novel about how the Klingons knew of an artifact of immense power in the region, a dark gateway to an alternate realm, a key to the undoing of their enemies - and had already been there several decades ago, far outside communications range, and were now bringing the benefits back to the Empire after their second stretch of cryosleep. So the Empire wouldn't be afraid of the sleepers embarrassing them by slaughtering a few hundred thousand Fed civilians - it was afraid of the sleepers getting caught and having to hand over this secret of great power. So K'ehleyr had two choices: to destroy the secret, or to pull the wool over the Starfleet eyes long enough for the Empire to take possession of what was (not) theirs.

    But ultimately this doesn't matter...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  7. Crazyewok

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    Maybe sent out to find a fabled iconian gateway?
     
  8. Timo

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    Or then their mission, essential to the security of the Klingon Empire, was to remain asleep and away for at least 75 years and not bother the High Council...

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  9. Discofan

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    Stupid Riker puts on a device that brainwashes him instantly and almost causes the fall of the Federation. One would think in a galaxy where such things are possible, people, especially people with great responsibilities like Riker would be more prudent about what gadgets they put on their heads!!!!
     
  10. gakelly

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    In Angel One, the woman leader, Beata, cannot track down the guy with the bad influence, Ramsey, for years. She has exhausted every resource, yet as soon as the Enterprise shows up, she simply has Ariel followed and bam...she catches Ramsey. She had never thought to have her followed ever before?
     
  11. JesterFace

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    It might not have been enough for Moriarty to just walk around on the Enterprise or some other Starfleet location.
    In 'Ship in a Bottle' he talked about traveling the galaxy. That would not have been possible. Basically Picard gave him more than "our world" could have given. He was free of technological restraints, able to go anywhere.
     
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  12. Noname Given

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    ^^^
    His vocal programming mistakenly classified that word as a contraction; so, he couldn't speak it properly. ;)
     
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  13. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Commodore Commodore

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    They made the EMH a backup commander, so why not have backups for everybody? And in typical VOY style, that would have provided endless episodes about the relationships of those holographic crew. Maybe holo-Janeway and holo-Chakotay would've ended up together and had holo-babies.
     
  14. Finn

    Finn Bad Batch of TrekBBS Admiral

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    Or holo-Janeway and holo-Paris had baby holo-salamanders.
     
  15. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Maybe the crew winds up liking the backups better than the real thing, or the backup mutinies and tries to take the job from the real person?
     
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    Have to wonder about all the landing parties that died from allergy attack etc from some new form of pollen. but maybe they have ways to inoculate against that
     
  17. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

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    All created after Porthos got sick from taking part in a landing party.
     
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  18. MAGolding

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    Moriarty is not a hologram any more than you are a living primate. You are a personalty, and an intelligence. You are currently housed in a biological brain in your body but that could change. Moriarty's personality and intelligence was housed in a section of the computer system of the Enterprise, not in his holographic body. The real Moriarty was already outside of the holodeck, inside a section of the computer system of the Enterprise, not inside his body on the holodeck.

    So it would be a simple task to build an android body without any innate intelligence that would be remotely controlled by Moriarty's personality in a section of the computer system of the Enterprise, just as Moriarty's holographic body without any innate intelligence had previously been remotely controlled by Moriarty's personality in a section of the computer system of the Enterprise.

    But what about giving Moriarty the power to travel many light years out of range of of the computer system of the Enterprise?

    1. Find a blank positronic brain - like Data's - capable of human level intelligence and copy Moriarty's memories and self from a section of the computer system of the Enterprise to that positronic brain.

    2. Put that positronic brain into Moriarty's physical android body and connect it so it control the android body.

    3. Turn on the positronic brain and let Moriarty's personality inside the positronic brain control Moriarty's android body.

    In "The Offspring":

    This indicates that a they could have acquired a suitable positronic brain and copied Moriarty's memories, personality, and identity into it with available technology (also see "The Schizoid Man').

    This is such an elementary and obvious procedure that I doubt the sincerity of Picard's offer to find a way for Moriarty to leave the holodeck.
     
  19. Discofan

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    Moriarty is used to the idea of being a (flesh and blood) human being, I am not sure he would appreciate living the rest of his life as a robot. Remember that part of the reason he wanted to be "real" was the woman he was in love with and that he wanted alongside himself.
     
  20. at Quark's

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    They could have had some fun with it in Data's poetry recital. Something like:

    "And though I think I know you, Spot, some mysteries prevail;
    How did you end up pregnant if you started out as male"

    (though probably there's some little factoid that would spoil it, like Spot only getting pregnant after that poem).
     
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  21. Discofan

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    Since we're on the stupid stuff. How about Data being presented as a walking talking encyclopedia and at the same time being unable to use an expression without replacing some words by more improbable ones? It's quite ironic that Data's robotic nature is "displayed" by making him do things a robot is not supposed to do.
     
  22. JesterFace

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    If I was an computer program, I'm not sure I would be willing to be "transferred" from the computer to an android body, who knows what might go wrong or maybe that would change personality or something?