Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

[Alan Roi]

Maybe they can call Voyager and borrow that big red button Janeway has in storage for when they have to reset everything at the end of the episode Janeway's reset button probably got a good flogging in its lifetime.

How did Mama Burnham get out of the suit? You see the suit standing there and her on the ground, Doe is teleport you in and out to use it?

She kind of fell out of it so maybe its part actual solid material and part, solid light at this point?

Man, that button. Some eps I can imagine Janeway banging on that button repeatedly, several minutes at a time.

 

[SolarisOne]

Man, that button. Some eps I can imagine Janeway banging on that button repeatedly, several minutes at a time.

 

[Delta Vega]

Gave it a six
So looked forward to it all week and was so underwhelmed
The Funeral scene was nauseatingly over the top, the song ridiculous
Paraphrasing, "Its you Michael" ie you're the Angel (of course she is, she's the singular most important living entity, along with her brother, in the whole multiverse)
Only, she erm, wasn't
Big reveal was a let down, "Mom" indeed
Spock's whole demeanour and attitude has changed, a full reverse, he's Burnhams bosom buddy now, after being a CAUC to her last week.
Enjoyed the Emperor, Tilly, Culber and Stamets interplay, it was a welcome relief.
Tyler is just a big cry baby, why is he still hanging around ? He never seems to do anything.
Now he and Michael have reconciled, everybody loves her this week, even Georgiou.
They love her so much, that in a matter of days after losing Airiam, they are prepared to sacrifice her life in the hope that the Angel shows up to save her.
In a storm of technobabble that La Forge or Crusher would have been proud of, they set a trap for the Angel, who's so far advanced in time and technology thingies that she is daft enough to fall for it.
I take it that the rogue AI in Control is still latent in the Section 31 ship, and now probably ensconced in Leland, if he's not dead that is ?
I have enjoyed Season 2 pretty much every week, but have deliberately not gone overboard with the marking, but tonight's was only an average episode, a bit of a meh.
I thought there were good parts, but a lot of bad parts, sorry.
Crash helmet on for incoming.

 

[Alan Roi]

I've got one just like that. Sadly, every time I press it a screen lights up that reads "Please do not press this button again."

 

[Gov Kodos]

Freaking time crystals. Good grief, that's awful.

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[gblews]

I would think SMG being black is enough for that.

Nah, I'm thinking that if those folks figure out that producers perhaps went out of their way to find an actor who "mirrored" SMG's ethnicity rather than just hiring another black actor, I think this would set them off on a fresh rant against the PC-ness of the show.

But I'm thinking that it's quite possible, in fact, more than likely, that those folks won't even be able to discern that this may have been done unless someone points it out to them.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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[Kenobiwan85]

Just got done watching and...

1. Saru has a beautiful singing voice.
2. This is taking a very interesting turn, I was not expecting Burnham's parents to come into play as much as they are.

P.s. No matter how much I enjoy this show, the lense flares can be overbearing at times

 

[Alan Roi]

Freaking time crystals. Good grief, that's awful. .

Regarding real-life actual Time Crystals:

https://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-o...zy-state-of-matter-and-now-we-can-create-them

And as such they are at least as viable a source of time travel as any other time travel mechanic that has been used in Star Trek, expecially CHRONITRON PARTICLES, which have no basis in anything anywhere anywhen.

 

[Arpy]

Why was Hugh wearing the same thing the guy down the bar is wearing?

Time Crystals makes Avengers canon.

Leland is the best villain since Klaa.

OF COURSE Burnham’s parents knew Leland and were working with Section 31.

OF COURSE the plan to capture Future Burnham was always a good idea, even when it posed little danger to Present Burnham.

***

Airiam’s funeral was nice.

I love seeing the outside of the ship up close.

Burnham’s torturous asphyxiation was good.

I like the strangeness of a counselor turned admiral. (Not sure if she’s the counselor on board Hugh should have turned to.)

***

Weakest episode of the season. That’s disappointing afte the last few.

...yeah, Time Crystals is “Threshold”-level bad.

 

[XCV330]

Why was Hugh wearing the same thing the guy down the bar is wearing?

Time Crystals makes Avengers canon.

Time has been contained in crystalline structures since the early 1970s when Jim Croce attempted to put time in an empty bottle of Thunderbird in a failed experiment. It is speculated that if he had instead put time in a four dimensional crystalline hypercube he might have had more luck, but he didn't have one, and the lyrics would not have been as catchy.

 

[Alan Roi]

...yeah, Time Crystals is “Threshold”-level bad.

And yet drawn from real world science unlike a lot of other Star Trek "physics".

 

[SolarisOne]

Burnham’s torturous asphyxiation was good.

And yet drawn from real world science unlike a lot of other Star Trek "physics".

I'm getting really tired of watching this debate.

The name is the same, but the real concept is completely NOT in line with DSC's usage. Sorry. It basically just means a crystal whose structure is constantly changing and can never reach thermal equilibrium in the classical sense. Cool, cutting edge, materials science concept that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Trek version. At. All.

/rant

 

[Alan Roi]

I'm getting really tired of watching this debate.

The name is the same, but the real concept is completely NOT in line with DSC's usage. Sorry. It basically just means a crystal whose structure is constantly changing and can never reach thermal equilibrium in the classical sense. Cool, cutting edge, materials science concept that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Trek version. At. All.

/rant

Just like dilithium and all sorts of Trek scientific misappropriations. It seems to me a bit odd that this one earns a Good Grief, That's Awful epithet.

People are going: Time Crystals, . I'm providing links that scientists do call a new state of matter this, and which has weird time RELATED properties (I'm not claiming it has Time TRAVEL properties in any way or that what is going on in Disco is SCIENCE FACT). Discovery has after all been accused repeatedly of turning Star Trek into flat out fantasy, and it appears to some I'm encountering this is another 'fantasy element' to point to.

 

[Arpy]

/rant

As opposed to an elegant stylized one, thank you very much.

 

[Gilora]

The Discovery could've beamed Burnham up instead of waiting for the Red Angel to appear.

Pike ordered Owo to do this and she said that something was blocking it: the Red Angel.

 

[Terok Nor]

Okay. This was good. Everyone expected Burnham to be the Red Angel but, for a change, the writers fooled us and delivered a great twist! It's still all about Burnham but at least we get a brand new character as the Red Angel. This should be interesting.

Tilly is unbearable. Sorry. She needs to go. She's even more annoying than Neelix at this point.

Michelle Yeoh is amazing. Instantly improved an episode just by appearing. Great scene with Stamets and Culber. Her naughty sense of humor is really fun.

 

[lawman]

One of the things I kinda hate about this season is the seeming "all casual dress is black" thing. One thing the Mudd episode got right last season was showing Stella in a TOS-ish outfit. While I don't expect cardboard sets, it would be nice to see some evidence that bright colors and retro-futuristic styles were in vogue.

Well put. On the other hand, to be fair, it's still a few years until TOS, and fashions can and do change. Think how different 1958 was from 1966 in the real world!...

What 'usual take'?

... If there's ANYTHIONG that' consistent about the depiction of Time Travel in Star Trek; it's that said depictions have no consistency. Like Warp Drive distance travelled via a certain Warp Factor, the depiction of Time Travel in Star Trek is beholden to the needs of the plot.

Therefore the depiction of Time Travel in this episode was 100% consistent with every other Star Trek depiction of Time Travel.

Yeah, Trek has had a lot of inconsistent depictions of time travel. Stipulated.

On the other hand, past mistakes are no excuse for current ones, and a time-travel story is always better if it's logically consistent.

And as I've mentioned, I think CLB did yeoman work reconciling and rationalizing all of Trek's instances of time travel in this DTI novels. The show's not beholden to them, of course, but it could certainly do a lot worse than to keep them in mind as a helpful guideline.

At any rate, it remains true (as @cultcross mentioned) that a(n apparent) predestination paradox is not Trek's usual approach to the concept. (Some people will argue that First Contact represents one... but they're wrong.) So at the very least, this episode was veering off the reservation a bit!...

If it's true that the showrunner shake-up has caused a lot of these problems, well, while understandable, it doesn't magically make this episode any better.

It'd be interesting to see what this show could accomplish if it had an entire season with a consistent creative vision, and was able to tell a long-form story arc without having to retool it on the fly.

 

[SolarisOne]

It'd be interesting to see what this show could accomplish if it had an entire season with a consistent creative vision, and was able to tell a long-form story arc without having to retool it on the fly.

That's when TNG started really getting better.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

What about poor "Did she just call me Papi?" Culber?

She's a lawsuit waiting to happen.