Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"

[Nyotarules]

Considering that there will be aliens who have hearing ranges vastly different than ours, I wonder how eclectic she can get until it's outside of being pleasurable for her? I mean, really, this is getting silly.

Its silly (but you keep responding anyway) to expect a show set in the future to vary its musical references rather than only use 20th/21st century music of a limited genre as a reference point? We can only show diversity with people but nothing else? Ok then carry on.
(Next time on Star Trek Saru sings his favourite song 'Fly me to the moon', it has a space reference after all)

 

[Amaris]

What are those?

...

Didn't catch this the first time. Renaissance Fairs are where people gather to enjoy the art, culture, music, and food of the medieval age. They are very popular.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_fair

Its silly to expect a show set in the future to vary its musical references rather than only use 20th/21st century music of a limited genre as a reference point? We can only show diversity with people but nothing else? Ok then carry on.

No, it's silly to push this notion that Tilly can't like David Bowie because you find it unrealistic. When pointed out that there are plenty of people who enjoy old music, to the point where they have favorites, you doubled down. I'm sorry they're not playing music that won't exist for 250 years but when it does it will make your ears bleed just so it will be more authentic, but thems the breaks I guess.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Its silly (but you keep responding anyway) to expect a show set in the future to vary its musical references rather than only use 20th/21st century music of a limited genre as a reference point? We can only show diversity with people but nothing else? Ok then carry on.

Did you miss the whole Andorian opera thing going on between Stamets amd Culber? Because that definatley was a thing.

 

[matthunter]

It may be that a contemporary artist simply covered Bowie, and that's what she's singing.

Bowie actually transcended time and space and played a selection of his songs at Starfleet HQ in 2244. And will again around the 2340s, but Picard was too up himself on classical archaeology for it to take.

 

[DaveyNY]

Oh shit, they're doing a Pak Protector thing with the Kelpians, aren't they? The Ba'ul are going to turn out to be the real adult form of the Kelpians, and the "harvesting" isn't them preying on the Kelpians, it's them taking select inviduals away to some place they can complete their maturation/transformation/whatever. (This is Star Trek, so they'll probably call it "the next stage in their evolution" or something.)

And since I have my rocket powered crazy pants in today, let's go even further. You know how the Ba'ul obelisk looks exactly like a TOS Preserver obelisk turned upside down? That means that the adult Kelpians are the Preservers. Which means they're also the Red Angels. Those long tentacle clusters on the angels aren't wings, they're the mature form of the threat ganglia – like adult teeth to Saru's metaphorical baby teeth.

I think I just solved the season, everybody.*

*not really.

I've suggested a few times around here that we've only seen the Kelpians used as "cattle" in the Mirror Universe.
I don't believe that it's ever been stated by a character in the Prime Universe that they are being used as food.
All the Kelpians know is that they have to "go into the light" when their biological alarm clock dings.

 

[Noname Given]

I'm interested in the vast knowledge the orb had on it. Scientists would be studying it for centuries? Really? You'd think they'd be bringing it up every 10 minutes by the 24th century. That they'd create a whole database with just the information that thing had stored on it, just in case it came up.

Then again, maybe the Enterprise D's entire computer system is based on it.

^^^
Alex Kurtzman is trying to put a bow on a lot of aspects of TOS era continuity that fans have raised over the decades

Example:
In TOS S3 - "For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky" - Spock (and the Federation) have A LOT of knowledge about the Fabrini - the race that built and sent out the Worldship "Yonada". The Fabrini didn't have Warp/FTL capability either.

Now, understand that the Fabrini (and the Fabrinus star system) was destroyed by a Super Nova, yet:

- Spock knew the number of planets in the Fabrinus Star System.

- Spock knew that the Fabrini knew their Sun was dying and sent out this Wordship.

- Spock COULD READ the language and writing of the Fabrini in the "Book of Knowledge" to help put the Worldship back on course.
^^^
But HOW could Spock (and the Federation) have this knowledge since the Super Nova would have wiped out all traces of their civilization since their home planet and home star system were utterly destroyed ten thousand years before the existence of the Federation? (You can't find archaeological evidence when a planet no longer exists.)

So, now we know how Spock and the Federation gained such detailed info on the Fabrini civilization and the Fabrinus star system prior to the Super Nova - obviously, it was part of the info the 100,000 year old Organism downloaded to the U.S.S. Discovery.
^^^
(That's just one example - there are many more from a number of TOS episodes where if you think about it after you watched such an episode you wonder "Hey, HOW did they know this if....")

 

[Nyotarules]

No, it's silly to push this notion that Tilly can't like David Bowie because you find it unrealistic. When pointed out that there are plenty of people who enjoy old music, to the point where they have favorites, you doubled down. I'm sorry they're not playing music that won't exist for 250 years but when it does it will make your ears bleed just so it will be more authentic, but thems the breaks I guess.

Its unrealistic cos its a trope that DISC keeps using, (TNG did it 30 years ago with jazz and classical music but I give it a pass), this is a new show with new production design, why follow the same ole trope of the past. Add some in universe realism to the show, it does not cost money to do it, its lazy writing.
Besides I did not say she cannot like Bowie, I am saying its a bit of a stretch its her favourite song.

 

[DaveyNY]

Exactly. My thinking was that more with the sphere, it was paying it's fare (in the form of disbursing all it had learned and observed) before it completely passed away.

I wonder if the Red Sphere and VGER ever crossed paths..? ummmnnn...

 

[Amaris]

Its unrealistic that it is a trope that DISC keeps using, (TNG did it 30 years ago I give it a pass), this is a new show with new production design, why follow the same ole trope of the past. Add some in universe realism to the show, it does not cost money to do it, its lazy writing.

It's not lazy writing, it's making a personal connection with a character on a show we're watching in the 21st century. Anything written as a representation of 23rd century music will still be from the 21st century. You will still be stuck here within our aural limitations.

If you have a way to go get music from the 23rd century, I'd be thrilled to hear it. Preferably something from Aldebaran. I hear their spirits are quite delightful, so their music must be incredible. I'll wait.

 

[Tuskin38]

Its unrealistic its is a trope that DISC keeps using, (TNG did it 30 years ago with jazz and classical music but I give it a pass), this is a new show with new production design, why follow the same ole trope of the past. Add some in universe realism to the show, it does not cost money to do it, its lazy writing.
Besides I did not say she cannot like Bowie, I am saying its a bit of a stretch its her favourite song.

Because the audience is from the last 20th and 21st centuries.

 

[Kemaiku]

I wonder if the Red Sphere and VGER ever crossed paths..? ummmnnn...

There's a dead Red Angel hanging in V'gers gallery.

 

[drt]

I've suggested a few time around here that we've only seen the Kelpians used as "cattle" in the Mirror Universe.
I don't believe that it's ever been stated by a character in the Prime Universe that they are being used as food.
All the Kelpians know is that they have to "go into the light" when their biological alarm clock dings.

I'd posted something similar before, Saru mentions that they're prey animals, but i took it to mean that they were decended from prey animals, not that they're currently being preyed upon. In "Brightest Star" we see them perhaps being harvested, but it's not clear what is actually happening - also whoever is taking them seems technologically advanced enough that Starfleet shouldn't be turning a blind eye.

 

[Nyotarules]

Didn't catch this the first time. Renaissance Fairs are where people gather to enjoy the art, culture, music, and food of the medieval age. They are very popular.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_fair

Ok its an American tradition

 

[Nyotarules]

Did you miss the whole Andorian opera thing going on between Stamets amd Culber? Because that definatley was a thing.

Yes, an example we should see more often, this alien reference, made up for the plot music did not cause any distraction to the story, did it stop the audience from identifying with the moment? I doubt it

 

[Amaris]

Ok its an American tradition

More than the U.S.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Renaissance_fairs

Yes, an example we should see more often, this alien reference, made up for the plot music did not cause any distraction to the story, did it stop the audience from identifying with the moment? I doubt it

What did it sound like?

 

[Noname Given]

Why can't 23rd century people be all about the polka?

Um, they are?

http://www.madmusic.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=9785

https://www.last.fm/music/Dennis+McCarthy/_/Theme+From+Star+Trek+(TV+Series)+(Polka+Version+)

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

More than the U.S.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Renaissance_fairs

We actually have an annual Renaissance Fair at the college that I attended. They still do it, I believe! I never really understood it... not my taste.

I mean, why would someone in this century be into something from hundreds of years ago??

 

[Nyotarules]

Because the audience is from the last 20th and 21st centuries.

The same audience that were introduced to Kasseelian opera

 

[Nyotarules]

What did it sound like?

I don't know and I don't care, it exists in the Star Trek universe

 

[Tuskin38]

The same audience that were introduced to Kasseelian opera

Which doesn't sound any different from earth Opera

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