USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Indeed. Which makes one sort of wonder why none were applied on the Defiant there, with or without near-seamless covering hatches. They did add pop-up phaser turrets, and did show weapons action in great detail in general.
What I find cool in DSC is that the NCC-1701 has the good old FJ layout to main phasers, with dorsal port and starboard pairs and ventral bow pair, rather than the full six times two used from TMP on. I still haven't rewatched often enough to be able to tell whether there are other phasers there, say, atop the stern or at the very bottom of the secondary hull.
Timo Saloniemi
What I find cool in DSC is that the NCC-1701 has the good old FJ layout to main phasers, with dorsal port and starboard pairs and ventral bow pair, rather than the full six times two used from TMP on. I still haven't rewatched often enough to be able to tell whether there are other phasers there, say, atop the stern or at the very bottom of the secondary hull.
Timo Saloniemi
On the Defiant?
Just look at photos of the ANOVOS and Eaglemoss models, they’re made from the Season 2 assets.
https://shop.eaglemoss.com/usa/star...erprise-ncc-1701-10-inch-xl-edition-discovery
https://www.anovos.com/collections/...class-studio-scale-starship-filming-miniature
I personally didn’t notice any rear or ventral phasers on the secondary hull.
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Extremely visible forward tubes. 1 of the 2 original tubes can be seen on the saucer bottom, but they seemed to want to make the "photonic" torpedoes come out of the warp field governor thing.
Either the VFX not reading notes from the art team. Or it worked better for the shot.
It’s worse on Discovery, the ship herself doesn’t appear to have any visible torpedo tubes. Same with the Shenzhou. Plenty of phasers though.
Most of the other DSC starfleet ships have visable tubes.
It’s worse on Discovery, the ship herself doesn’t appear to have any visible torpedo tubes. Same with the Shenzhou. Plenty of phasers though.
Most of the other DSC starfleet ships have visable tubes.
The weapons of NX-01 were quite carefully thought out and well applied. The model was provided with six torpedo tubes that were the only places those spatial torpedoes ever emerged from, and 13 gunports that were almost the only places the phaser beams came from (the two "turbocharger caps" on top of the booms also became phaser ports eventually). The photon torpedoes then were added to the arsenal, and while the bow ones may have fired from an invisible tube between the pairs of spatial torpedo tubes (much like the photorp rack was between the spatial torp loaders), the aft one was given a carefully detailed all-new hatch that was shown opening to facilitate the stern launch.
It's too bad that the Intrepid, a CGI kitbash of NX-01 components, only had the visible tubes but not the visible gunports...
That the ship had gunports and pop-up guns was a great way to "explain TOS", too: this show simply had better, more seamless hatches! And the ENT Defiant made the pop-up guns explicit while keeping the hatch-covered tubes implicit.
But DSC seems to go a different route: the phaser turrets are not only exposed, they are provided with red lights to better explicate their presence! Thankfully, all the beams do fire from these red-dot turrets. Yet the torpedo launchers are not only invisible, they are all over the hero ship. the Shenzhou at least had plenty of greeblie-filled holes that could serve as the torp launchers... The Discovery has no such greeblies. But she may have lots of sliding doors; the CGI artists can add those at their leisure if they ever decide to show torpedo action up close, and not contradict anything.
Timo Saloniemi
It's too bad that the Intrepid, a CGI kitbash of NX-01 components, only had the visible tubes but not the visible gunports...
That the ship had gunports and pop-up guns was a great way to "explain TOS", too: this show simply had better, more seamless hatches! And the ENT Defiant made the pop-up guns explicit while keeping the hatch-covered tubes implicit.
But DSC seems to go a different route: the phaser turrets are not only exposed, they are provided with red lights to better explicate their presence! Thankfully, all the beams do fire from these red-dot turrets. Yet the torpedo launchers are not only invisible, they are all over the hero ship. the Shenzhou at least had plenty of greeblie-filled holes that could serve as the torp launchers... The Discovery has no such greeblies. But she may have lots of sliding doors; the CGI artists can add those at their leisure if they ever decide to show torpedo action up close, and not contradict anything.
Timo Saloniemi
The final scene with the Discovery destroying the Sarcophagus they seem to be coming out of the front of the Saucer. But you're right, there is nothing really visible there.
3:49 in
Star Trek Online has them firing from roughly the same area. For the Walker Class they have the torpedoes coming from the front of the saucer on either side of the deflector.
Where? I don't see anything in the episode footage.
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The stern guns flanking the aft glowing dome are visible as little dark knobs when Archer first fires at the Tholian tractor beam.
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x19/inamirrordarkly2_042.jpg
Similar knobs are seen on the saucer underside.
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x19/inamirrordarkly2_049.jpg
Whether these subsequently "pop down" is something to be debated, as the subsequent shots don't have enough resolution (i.e. they're all in motion, and the blur hides pretty much everything). But here's a suggestive shot from the final battle against the Avenger, with little evidence of knobs at either location (even though the stern guns have just fired and are going to be firing again soon).
Timo Saloniemi
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x19/inamirrordarkly2_042.jpg
Similar knobs are seen on the saucer underside.
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x19/inamirrordarkly2_049.jpg
Whether these subsequently "pop down" is something to be debated, as the subsequent shots don't have enough resolution (i.e. they're all in motion, and the blur hides pretty much everything). But here's a suggestive shot from the final battle against the Avenger, with little evidence of knobs at either location (even though the stern guns have just fired and are going to be firing again soon).
Timo Saloniemi
Yeah, for me, the 'split and swept' pylons are my main complaint. Had they either not had them swept OR not had them be split in the center, I would have been 100% fine with it myself.
This would have been great for a "Phase II" or pre-TMP adventure; it looks like the TOS ship could have been refit *into* this version..... but no way could it be Pike / April's. The visual reboot thing is still the biggest nagging complaint about the show. Its very difficult to move past. Very glad for the TOS colors, but the weird collars on the uniforms throw me off. When they finally show the interior of the "E", I hope it doesn't yet have the red paint everywhere.
The TOS Enterprise had a lot of red.
Not when Pike was Captain.
This is 3 years after the Cage, could have gotten a paint job.
The term is a corruption of the term fuckton, as in metric fuckton.Aren't photon torpedoes of the 23rd and 24th centuries (and to a similar though lesser and not-as-advanced extent the photonic torpedoes developed by the United Earth Starfleet around 2153 and likely using knowledge gleaned from taking scans of Klingon photon torpedoes) antimatter warheads placed inside a warp-capable casing with engines? I don't know how a photon torpedo can be just light or a mass of energy fired from an external hardpoint unless there's a definition of photon torpedo I'm unaware of or isn't considered canon.
I don't use that commie metric system.
In Soviet Russia the system metrics you.
I CCCP what you did there.
So, can't repaint?
Nope. Just like grown men can't shave.
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