USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Right, but it still seems fairly different (which makes sense, since we know that they did take a second pass at the model!). And the direction of the squishing in the corrected image would actually indicate that those length differences are slightly bigger than the comparison would show (rather than slightly smaller).
Yes, it was, but note that all of the dimensions apart from those of the warp nacelles were completely obstructed by Stamets' body.
(Of course, there are still inconsistencies in what was shown anyway. As always.)
It's specifically mentioned in the design feature of the Eaglemoss booklet that the VFX team did indeed shorten the engineering hull, among other changes made to the final model. See around 12:15-12:20 of this video:
-MMoM
Yeah they just stole all the specs from the TOS Tech Manual, so it doesn't work at all.
Thanks for the video link though, a nice look at the book and the images inside it!
He goes over every page, so this is a must watch/read if you want to know more about the designing of the ship.
This appears to be the Render used on the console screen.
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Just found that page in the video and the do mention lengthening the neck as well lol. Well, I guess looking this up would have saved me a lot of time.
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She's still the prettiest ship in the entire series, Federation or otherwise.
According to the book, the reason we didn't get those spheres at the end of the nacelles is because they shouldn't be there yet.
Which is entirely correct, they didn't show up until after the second pilot for TOS.
They're only there on the early concept art because they were creating it based on Matt's main series design, not The Cage.
Reading the pages they tried to stay as faithful as possible to Matt's original design. Since they were forced to make it different anyways, they added their own touches to make it more realistic, like adding visible weapon hard-points, RCS thrusters, a docking port. Things the original design was lacking.
Also, here are the rear torpedo tubes for those who were wondering. They're the hatches labelled with the number 1
What's interesting, is during the making of 'In a Mirror Darkly', Doug Drexler and others considered that single hole in the centre of the Connie's impulse deck to be the rear torpedo tube, but that idea was lost along the way to the VFX team.
Which is entirely correct, they didn't show up until after the second pilot for TOS.
They're only there on the early concept art because they were creating it based on Matt's main series design, not The Cage.
Reading the pages they tried to stay as faithful as possible to Matt's original design. Since they were forced to make it different anyways, they added their own touches to make it more realistic, like adding visible weapon hard-points, RCS thrusters, a docking port. Things the original design was lacking.
Also, here are the rear torpedo tubes for those who were wondering. They're the hatches labelled with the number 1
What's interesting, is during the making of 'In a Mirror Darkly', Doug Drexler and others considered that single hole in the centre of the Connie's impulse deck to be the rear torpedo tube, but that idea was lost along the way to the VFX team.
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Well, the entire impulse deck seems to have been repositioned anyway. So the ship Drexler interpreted, and TOS-R defined in terms of the red impulse glow, is of a different configuration and may well have its aft torpedo tube at centerline where there obviously is no docking port "any longer".
Timo Saloniemi
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I meant the VFX team on Enterprise, they had the rear torpedo coming out of that glowy thing above the shuttlebay.
That makes sense.
Yes, they were "photon" torpedoes, after all. Presumably they were meant to be a ball of ultra-high energy EM radiation... which didn't travel at the speed of light for some reason.
I saw them described in one novel as just being the container that holds the warhead, none of the other casing.
Unless we were wrong all along and the term is Vietnamese, in which case phở tôn torpedos are a religious noodle soup. I dont know how that works. But I don't know how light particles in cased in spockcoffins works either.
Well I meant specifically the TOS torpedoes
Aren't photon torpedoes of the 23rd and 24th centuries (and to a similar though lesser and not-as-advanced extent the photonic torpedoes developed by the United Earth Starfleet around 2153 and likely using knowledge gleaned from taking scans of Klingon photon torpedoes) antimatter warheads placed inside a warp-capable casing with engines? I don't know how a photon torpedo can be just light or a mass of energy fired from an external hardpoint unless there's a definition of photon torpedo I'm unaware of or isn't considered canon. 
In The Making Of Star Trek, they were described as "energy pods of matter and anti-matter contained and held temporarily separated in a magno-photon force field." Following on from this, Andrew Probert envisioned them as "glowing globs of plasma or some sort of energy" for TMP. It wasn't until TWOK that they were re-imagined as physical projectiles-cum-coffins.Aren't photon torpedoes of the 23rd and 24th centuries (and to a similar though lesser and not-as-advanced extent the photonic torpedoes developed by the United Earth Starfleet around 2153 and likely using knowledge gleaned from taking scans of Klingon photon torpedoes) antimatter warheads placed inside a warp-capable casing with engines? I don't know how a photon torpedo can be just light or a mass of energy fired from an external hardpoint unless there's a definition of photon torpedo I'm unaware of or isn't considered canon.
-MMoM
Which is fine in theory, but in practice all the TOS writers treated them as solid shot no different from the classic US Navy fish the audiences were familiar with.
That is, torpedoes were armed before use, loaded into multiple parallel tubes, and then fired from specific tubes selected by the skipper at the moment of firing. The word "tube" may not have been used (until it referred to Spock's torpedo coffin!), but the word "torpedo" was used as a synonym, with "torpedo #x" chosen for firing just like a submariner would choose his tube.
In ENT, we didn't actually see where the aft torpedoes came from. We saw the aft phaser turrets flanking the aft dome, just like fwd phasers emerged from next to the lower forward dome - but the torps just flew out of some unseen orifice (or at least supposed orifice - they may just as well have materialized outside the hull or something, in classic TOS ambiguity) fairly low down, possibly at the stem of the neck, possibly on the dorsal surface of the secondary hull. Which is where the TMP refit has those four inset grooves...
Timo Saloniemi
That is, torpedoes were armed before use, loaded into multiple parallel tubes, and then fired from specific tubes selected by the skipper at the moment of firing. The word "tube" may not have been used (until it referred to Spock's torpedo coffin!), but the word "torpedo" was used as a synonym, with "torpedo #x" chosen for firing just like a submariner would choose his tube.
In ENT, we didn't actually see where the aft torpedoes came from. We saw the aft phaser turrets flanking the aft dome, just like fwd phasers emerged from next to the lower forward dome - but the torps just flew out of some unseen orifice (or at least supposed orifice - they may just as well have materialized outside the hull or something, in classic TOS ambiguity) fairly low down, possibly at the stem of the neck, possibly on the dorsal surface of the secondary hull. Which is where the TMP refit has those four inset grooves...
Timo Saloniemi
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