Klingon change for season 2?

[Tuskin38]

more ST like would greatly help, IMO

More Star Trek like? Huh?

 

[nutshell]

Let's hope visually DSC moves back towards classic Trek visuals

Update Klingons fine, don't make them as is

Unis along the lines of what crew of Kelvin wore ish, more ST like would greatly help, IMO

Agree to disagree. I love the look. Trek needs to evolve.

 

[Roundabout]

I wonder why the showrunners have compulsion to remake the appearance of Klingons, but not with Vulcans or Andorians.

The Vulcans and Andorians in DSC look basically the same as those that we've seen in previous series.

I am not suggesting that they should mess with the looks of Vulcans or Andorians. But what is about Klingons that seem to compel the showrunners to do a remake of them.

 

[fireproof78]

I am not suggesting that they should mess with the looks of Vulcans or Andorians. But what is about Klingons that seem to compel the showrunners to do a remake of them.

To make them more alien, much like GR did before.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wonder why the showrunners have compulsion to remake the appearance of Klingons, but not with Vulcans or Andorians.

The Vulcans and Andorians in DSC look basically the same as those that we've seen in previous series.

I am not suggesting that they should mess with the looks of Vulcans or Andorians. But what is about Klingons that seem to compel the showrunners to do a remake of them.

Because they always have.

 

[Roundabout]

To make them more alien, much like GR did before.

I understood GR's reason for making the changes in TMP.

When I first saw the TMP Klingons, I was shocked, but awed. I wasn't expecting that at all. It took me by surprise. Then I found out why the change was made. I actually did like the change. And I had no problem with the tweaks to the Klingon look since TMP.

The TMP/TNG Klingons were alien looking enough for me, and you can still relatively easily distinguish the individual Klingons.

DSC Klingons do look more alien, if that was the intent, but as a practical matter, I found it hard to tell the DSC Klingons apart. There are only so many albinos and female Klingons with facial scars that you can have to make them stand apart from the rest.

 

[fireproof78]

I understood GR's reason for making the changes in TMP.

When I first saw the TMP Klingons, I was shocked, but awed. I wasn't expecting that at all. It took me by surprise. Then I found out why the change was made. I actually did like the change. And I had no problem with the tweaks to the Klingon look since TMP.

The TMP/TNG Klingons were alien looking enough for me, and you can still relatively easily distinguish the individual Klingons.

DSC Klingons do look more alien, if that was the intent, but as a practical matter, I found it hard to tell the DSC Klingons apart. There are only so many albinos and female Klingons with facial scars that you can have to make them stand apart from the rest.

I'm glad you liked the TMP style. I did not care for them.

Again, mileage will vary but I can distinguish them just fine.

 

[eschaton]

To make them more alien, much like GR did before.

Again though, there are limits to how much this can be done, since it's canonical in Trek history that Klingon-Human hybrids exist such as K'Ehleyr and Torres. Actually, not only do they exist, but both of them successfully carry to term hybrid children of their own, proving there is no issue with sterility. So humans and Klingons should be fairly similar in terms of both their biology and appearance.

 

[Kor]

Again though, there are limits to how much this can be done, since it's canonical in Trek history that Klingon-Human hybrids exist such as K'Ehleyr and Torres. Actually, not only do they exist, but both of them successfully carry to term hybrid children of their own, proving there is no issue with sterility. So humans and Klingons should be fairly similar in terms of both their biology and appearance.

Appearance would be an important factor when it comes to attraction and an instinct toward biological compatibility. What human would willingly procreate with a species as repulsive as STDsc Klingons? But perhaps the more evolved sensibility of the future will move humans to look beyond mere appearances.

Kor

 

[KennyB]

What human would willingly procreate with a species as repulsive as STDsc Klingons?
Kor

Everyone gets attractive about last call in the pub...……..

 

[Longinus]

Appearance would be an important factor when it comes to attraction and an instinct toward biological compatibility. What human would willingly procreate with a species as repulsive as STDsc Klingons? But perhaps the more evolved sensibility of the future will move humans to look beyond mere appearances.

As much as I dislike DSC Klingons, that is weak argument. There absolutely would be humans who would be attracted to them. Have you looked at the internet? People are attracted to the weirdest things (I'm not judging.) DSC Klingons are pretty mild.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

^ Hell, try anything once, amirite? I'm looking at you, General Kol....<3

I'm...I'm not kidding. Dennas from the House of D'Ghor is quite attractive as an honorable mention as well.

 

[Kor]

As much as I dislike DSC Klingons, that is weak argument. There absolutely would be humans who would be attracted to them. Have you looked at the internet? People are attracted to the weirdest things (I'm not judging.) DSC Klingons are pretty mild.

I guess I don't have a very evolved sensibility.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

Again though, there are limits to how much this can be done, since it's canonical in Trek history that Klingon-Human hybrids exist such as K'Ehleyr and Torres. Actually, not only do they exist, but both of them successfully carry to term hybrid children of their own, proving there is no issue with sterility. So humans and Klingons should be fairly similar in terms of both their biology and appearance.

Sure, but I'm uncertain as to how those limits are not honored by Discovery, especially with an idea that there are multiple genetic variations of Klingons, plus their own engineering, the Augment virus, and redundant systems. All of this stuff predates Discovery by a long mile and hasn't been a problem.

 

[Kor]

Once upon a time there was this idea in fandom that Sarek and Amanda were only able to have Spock with lots of medical intervention. It seems that should really be the case with every species mixture.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

Once upon a time there was this idea in fandom that Sarek and Amanda were only able to have Spock with lots of medical intervention. It seems that should really be the case with every species mixture.

Kor

It should be, but it isn't in Trek.

 

[Longinus]

Once upon a time there was this idea in fandom that Sarek and Amanda were only able to have Spock with lots of medical intervention. It seems that should really be the case with every species mixture.

It is possible that this indeed was the case. It is especially stated that such is required in the case of Klingon/human hybrids (K'Ehleyr says so.)

 

[Kor]

I'm still waiting for pairings and resulting mixed offspring from humanoids and non-humanoids, such as Horta and Vorta.

Kor

 

[eschaton]

As I've said before, if I were redesigning Trek from the ground up, I'd ditch the whole "ancient humanoid" thing. My idea would be to establish that the Iconians took early Homo sapiens off the Earth over 200,000 years ago. They engaged in various genetic engineering projects to alter them for different planetary environments and tasks. After their empire fell, the races all evolved a little on their own. Thus most of the common Trek aliens - Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, Betazoid, Trill, etc - are literally humans, just modified humans with only "skin deep" differences. But genetically speaking, they're all closer related to Earth humans than modern humans are to Neandertals.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

^ But is that at all that much different than the ancient humanoid thing? You still have an entire galaxy of human looking ppl, which is still unrealistic. Having every humanoid in the galaxy basically be a genetically altered human, while more realistic biologically, feels like a much tinier universe than having everyone be actual aliens that had a guided evolution (albeit ridiculous for other reasons).

And I won't live in any timeline where we didn't get the line, "That's all? If she were not dead, I would kill her."