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Equal Pay Debate

Just as women had to explode the myth they’re less ambitious, men are now experiencing judgments that need to be dispelled,” Hellicar said.
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Isn't this bit the key point, equality means equality in all things.

Are their differences in age groups to those beliefs?

In today's world a female might be the main bread winner in a household so it might be better for him to take flexitime if needed. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Thew new doctor is getting paid the same as Capaldi despite a huge age/experience gap, she wouldn't be getting paid that if she was a male of the same age, Smith got much less. She is getting it because she's female and it's a PR stunt on the BBCs side. Granted that's hardly her fault though.
She's playing the main character in a beloved franchise and jewel of the BBC. Her getting paid as much as the last Doctor is common sense, same role-same pay. Why does her being a woman make any difference? It doesn't in any rational way, except to the pea-brained men in our society who are so easily threatened by women that they can't stand to see them do well or occupying some position that a man once had. I do understand that these specific men aren't that intelligent, deeply insecure about themselves and identity, and instead of blaming themselves for their lot in life blame women.
 
“My boss told me I wouldn’t be able to get promoted working part-time,” one man who responded to the survey said.
A problem that women have experienced for decades while working part time or flexibly. But now that it affects men, it's a travesty?

All that article shows is that flexible working for men has exposed them to the same prejudice that women working flexibly have faced for years (overlooked for promotion, treated as a burden, left out socially etc) but they are unhappy because they're used to being a Big Deal.

Many employers, probably most, need to be better at using and offering flexible working arrangements, so maybe men realising those problems will help that.
 
She's playing the main character in a beloved franchise and jewel of the BBC. Her getting paid as much as the last Doctor is common sense, same role-same pay. Why does her being a woman make any difference?

If her being a woman didn't make any difference she would be getting less money. George Lazenby didn't make the same amount for On Her Majesties Secret Service as Sean Connery did for You Only Live Twice. Connery got $750,000 (plus 25% merchandise profits) and Lazenby got $50,000 for OHMSS. Now, Lazenby was an unknown and Whittaker has a record but it's not as long as Capaldi's. Plus, not dropping the lead actor pay and letting it rise again is a good way to get a show cancelled permanently. Why do you think most hit shows don't last more than 10 years or so? Actor salaries get too high. Shows like Law & Order get around that by rotating the cast, so does Doctor Who. Now imagine that you can never reset the salary. Goodbye Doctor Who.
 
I agree in principle that equal work = equal pay. Similar qualifications and experience demand a level playing field, at least at a baseline. Two people with the same qualifications doing the same job and producing the same results should always mean equal pay.

Anecdotally, there are always exceptions. I personally know of an instance where a male was passed over for promotion in favor of a supposedly more qualified female who turned out to be massively unsuited for the job. By then it was too late. Until, that is, she took another position in another state, and the previously passed-over male was offered the job and over time undid the damage done. This is only one instance, most certainly not the rule, but it does happen. In both directions.

:shrug:
 
I agree in principle that equal work = equal pay. Similar qualifications and experience demand a level playing field, at least at a baseline. Two people with the same qualifications doing the same job and producing the same results should always mean equal pay.

Anecdotally, there are always exceptions. I personally know of an instance where a male was passed over for promotion in favor of a supposedly more qualified female who turned out to be massively unsuited for the job. By then it was too late. Until, that is, she took another position in another state, and the previously passed-over male was offered the job and over time undid the damage done. This is only one instance, most certainly not the rule, but it does happen. In both directions.

:shrug:

Wouldn't it be great if the person got the job regardless of other factors such as gender. But speaking as someone who has conducted interviews sometimes people who interview well turn out to be not so great conversely sometimes people who interview poorly turn out to be great.
 
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It's naive to think actors don't get paid more or less based on their fame. That is the Doctor Who reference. That being said it is my understanding that the top of the heap male actor seems to get more than the top of the heap female actor/actress. There's still disparity.
 
Matt Smith was largely unknown. Jodie Whittaker (she does actually have a name) is fairly well known from movies like "Venus" and "Attack the Block," and especially her three seasons of Broadchurch. She should get paid more than Smith, because she already has an established, fairly successful career--roughly equivalent to Capaldi. So it seems fairly logical that she should be offered the same salary.
I had never heard of either Smith or Whittaker. Do you really think Whittaker has the same acting experience and caché as Capaldi?? I have no problem with her getting as much money as her agent could negotiate and there is both pressure and attention because she is the first female Doctor but surely she's not as established as Capaldi.
 
If her being a woman didn't make any difference she would be getting less money. George Lazenby didn't make the same amount for On Her Majesties Secret Service as Sean Connery did for You Only Live Twice. Connery got $750,000 (plus 25% merchandise profits) and Lazenby got $50,000 for OHMSS. Now, Lazenby was an unknown and Whittaker has a record but it's not as long as Capaldi's. Plus, not dropping the lead actor pay and letting it rise again is a good way to get a show cancelled permanently. Why do you think most hit shows don't last more than 10 years or so? Actor salaries get too high. Shows like Law & Order get around that by rotating the cast, so does Doctor Who. Now imagine that you can never reset the salary. Goodbye Doctor Who.
Your reasoning is pretty flimsy. Why not just not pay anyone then?
 
Well I'm glad we've reduced a problem that has persisted in society for decades down to how much Jodie Whittaker gets for being in Doctor Who.

I mean, clearly her getting the same pay as Capaldi is clearly a sign women worldwide actually have it all their own way, shame about all the female presenters the BBC has earning demonstratably less than their male counterparts ( and all the millions of women worldwide in the same boat across all sorts of industries) but at the end of the day we have a (literally) single ambiguous data point where a woman isn't being discriminated against so that's ok, regardless of the amount of public outcry it took for that single data point to come into being.
 
Ah you want a meritocracy? Loooooooooooooong way off. Humans, for the foreseeable future, are egotistical and forever in competition with each other. They hire and pay their friends or folks who are not a threat then justify it accordingly... culture, gender, personality type...whatever excuse is convenient.

Find a group that 'likes' you and it does not matter how dumb you are. For reference, see all of politics.
 
Find a group that 'likes' you and it does not matter how dumb you are. For reference, see all of politics.
That's funny!

I guess we're just frustrated that two individuals performing the same task may be subject to different pay rates. It's not always the gender gap, it may be experience based, 'fame' based, or as you suggest other justifications. It may even be pro-active or quota based. I remember working in a nursery and being told to never share my pay details with the others. I found out I got paid more than some and less than others. As for 'why' I think it was because of the amount of time we all worked there.
 
That's funny!

I guess we're just frustrated that two individuals performing the same task may be subject to different pay rates. It's not always the gender gap, it may be experience based, 'fame' based, or as you suggest other justifications. It may even be pro-active or quota based. I remember working in a nursery and being told to never share my pay details with the others. I found out I got paid more than some and less than others. As for 'why' I think it was because of the amount of time we all worked there.

Nepotism. Protectionism. Favoritism. All are in play, from the job you get to the cheeseburger you just bought to the Doctor looking after your health.

Perhaps I'm old and tired, but I think that the chances of finding out what's actually going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say, "Hang the sense of it," and keep yourself busy.
 
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