IMO they had the sword-through-the-chest moment first to put to bed any idea that Isaacs will be back as MU Lorca. He was dead before he fell through the hole. Now I don't rule out a guest appearance by Isaacs (likely as a PU Lorca who somehow survived in the MU when the transporter-ion-storm swap happened and he somehow gets back), but I think Isaacs has already moved on with his career. I loved his casting and his performance but someone of his calibre was never realistically going to stick around for multiple seasons, sadly.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"
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I don't think she's particularly divisive. It only seems to be the kind of people who pepper their criticism with terms like "Mary Sue" and "SJW" who have such a visceral dislike of Burnham or Sonequa Martin-Green.
I wonder why...
I don't know, maybe because she's boring? I think it's the writing because I thought she was good on Walking Dead.
I wonder if Prime Lorca might yet make an appearance...
However, In 'Yesterday's Enterprise' they were losing.
You cheered that she saved the female version of Adolf Hitler ????
I don't see it a stretch that she can't separate the two decisively in her mind. We are talking about THE most dramatic event in her life being the death of her captain (after her betrayal). Having a physically exact duplicate there is no way she doesn't hold out hope that the emperor has some deep down traits similar to her Georgiou.
She's not Hitler - it's a flawed comparison. She did monstrous things, for sure, but the show explained why this happens in that world (and why immoral or non-ethical systems allowed it to). Yet the show also showed her possibility for or even seeking out redemption (a word which originated in slavery, so I used it deliberately) - she seems to have given her word honestly last week, and this week she sought genuine redemption from Michael, helping her destroy the mycelial disaster, before being teleported away. Maybe she is the show's Jaime....?
...What's wrong with a hero saving a villain, dramatically speaking? There's great drama in Major Bigglesworth landing in crumbling Berlin just before Hanna Reitsch does, grabbing Hitler from certain doom, and flying off, just because he feels he should bring the Nazi leader to London for a public display or whatever. Grab a nobody and there's no impact.
Fun will ensue from Burnham's misguided rescue, of that I'm certain.
Timo Saloniemi
Fun will ensue from Burnham's misguided rescue, of that I'm certain.
Timo Saloniemi
Why do people keep saying this sort of thing about Jason Isaacs, as if Star Trek isn't good enough for him or something? I mean, he's certainly a talented and charismatic actor, and (glancing at his IMDB page), he's a reasonably busy one... but it's not as if he's busy with A-list roles. He does voice work, he does TV series, he does supporting roles in assorted second-tier movies... he's not doing high-profile tentpoles or prestigious Oscar fodder. Why would he not want a lead role in an ongoing big-budget TV series, if it were offered?
Honestly, I have never thought of Georgiou's death as "the most dramatic event in her life," perhaps because the opening two-parter completely failed to sell me on any sense of emotional connection or even camaraderie between the two women. It's not like we're talking about Kirk and Spock here. I'd imagine the most dramatic events in Burnham's life (even picking from what little we've seen of it) would include her parents' death, the attack on her Learning Center, and Sarek's (seeming) rejection of her, no tot mention (as you note) her mutiny, before anything involving Georgiou.
Yes, but we don't know the full details of that scenario. What caused the war? The failure at Narendra III meant they didn't become allies, but after that it's all speculation. I kind of assume it was a Duras-inspired Klingon-Romulan alliance which meant the Federation was overwhelmed, whereas in our universe the Federation was able to drive a wedge between them.
I don't see how that applies. Burnham callously killed a lot of people while in the MU. Why "should" she save one while not the others?
As for Burnham's personality, I think it's quite simply a case of SM-G having been told to act like a desperate and confused wannabe Vulcan. And that's what she's doing, to the hilt. She's a half-baked personality not because of half-baked acting but because that's what the character is supposed to be like.
Timo Saloniemi
She had the opportunity and the motive, which wasn't the case with others. I think it's pretty clear she would have done the same had the fight gone differently and Lorca were the one to survive - she refused to kill him and would have tried to take him alive to answer for his crimes.
Obviously it was partly selfish - she wanted to save the image of the mentor she previously failed - but I don't think Starfleet would criticise the act itself.
OK views on him are bound to be subjective - one of the other longer-standing forum members described him as Spacey-just-before-he-hit-his-prime (that'll be without all the *ahem* nasty stuff we've now learnt about Spacey). Personally, he blows me away whenever I see him - even when he's in a box-office flop - but others of course will disagree. He is, though, undoubtedly a much more high profile actor across all 3 main media (TV, movies and theatre) than any predecessor was when cast in the centre seat and the truth is we can't rely on a single thing he as an actor says about his ambitions/love of ST (not just because he likes to wind us all up but because any actor isn't going to risk typecasting themselves at the start of a franchise that might work or not).
Yes, anyone can argue that I'm wrong that I believe he has ambitions that go beyond ST, but casting someone with a reputation like his (much higher profile) compared to what they did in TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT was undoubtedly a riskier decision. We're a self-selected group on here and though we hate to admit it, these days there are far more "big" multi-season franchises that pull in punters across various socio-demographics etc than in the "old paradigm" of TV. Plus we have no idea what negotiations he may be in regarding what might be the next big movie or franchise. IMDB is very backward looking - agreed roles not yet filmed are on there yeah but there'd bound to be stuff he's looking at that we know nothing about.
Apparently, Starfleet has no policy on suicide, assisted or not, or this would have come up in "Ethics". Burnham stopping Georgiou from committing hers should earn her no medals but no reprimands either, then.
Don't MU phasers have stun settings, though? Burnham could have "saved" Lorca, Georgiou and Landry all, along with a dozen goons. She didn't, and nobody is blaming her for that. But supposedly stun is more effective in combat than kill, dropping opponents cold with the first shot... As demonstrated when she boarded Klingon ships those past couple of times.
Timo Saloniemi
Don't MU phasers have stun settings, though? Burnham could have "saved" Lorca, Georgiou and Landry all, along with a dozen goons. She didn't, and nobody is blaming her for that. But supposedly stun is more effective in combat than kill, dropping opponents cold with the first shot... As demonstrated when she boarded Klingon ships those past couple of times.
Timo Saloniemi
Personally, given what we know of the MU, phasers set only to kill makes a lot more sense to me than ones with a stun setting.
Well, her claim is likely going to be challenged by Captain Killy, who's likely have returned to MU now that USS Discovery is back in Prime Universe. Whoever manages to kill the other in a hand-to-hand swordfight will become the new Emperor
.As much as I like Ginger MU Detmer, I put my money for Emperor Killy, who can add The Slayer of Sorna Prime and The Witch of Wurna Minor in the long list of Imperial Terran titles
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If I forget her name for a moment I always describe her as "Borg Queen Margaery" because of her resemblance to Natalie Dormer from Game of Thrones, and usually people will know who I'm talking about.
I call her Lt "Cressida" Detmer because of her similar hairstyle with the "Hunger Games" character
We'll see how Cornwell would've reacted once she was told by Burnham or Saru that "Oh, BTW, we have a guest from the other universe: The Emperor from said universe whom have personally killed hundreds, if not thousands of innocents, plus sent millions of other humans and aliens to their deaths."
From the trailer, it seems like they rather approve.
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