Is it? Is having someone who we already know to be obsessive and who's brain has been rewired by a virtually unknown phenomena behaving outside of the expected norms necessarily bad characterisation?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"
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Is it? Is having someone who we already know to be obsessive and who's brain has been rewired by a virtually unknown phenomena behaving outside of the expected norms necessarily bad characterisation?
Because, apparently they're impotent without an almighty spore drive ship to pop around the quadrant for them. The Klingons are right to hold them in disdain--they have no warrior spirit.
To be fair, even with its advanced late 24th century weapons and technology the Federation was close to losing the war against the Klingons in 2372 after the Empire invaded Cardassia and withdrew from the Khitomer Accords. As silly as it sounds for the Federation to be losing or having even lost a war in just nine months they didn't do a whole lot better more than a hundred years later when the UFP was much stronger and had access to greater technology.
I don't think the Federation were ever in danger of losing the war. It just seemed to be a limited invasion of Archanis and some other border areas. I'm guessing Starfleet didn't have many bases or ships in the area as they didn't anticipate flighting the Klingons after a century. Their assets were busy along the neutral zone and preparing for a Dominion conflict - plus the Borg attack.
Don't forget. The Dominion successfully invaded and occupied Betazed, one of the more important Federation member worlds and one that's located not all that far from Earth and the other founding members. The DS9 crew mentioned that the fall of Betazed put Vulcan, Andoria and Alpha Centauri among other central worlds of the Federation at risk.
The Federation seemed woefully unprepared for a sustained conflict with the Klingons from the outset. They clearly haven't been involved in a major conflict by the time of the battle of the binary stars. Starfleet is probably also spread pretty thin. Not only do they have to contend with the Klingons along the border, but they probably have to maintain their forces along the neutral zone and Tholian border in addition to maintaining defense of the core worlds.
Not to mention keeping an eye on the Romulans. At this point in time they're still in isolation behind the Neutral Zone and no Starfleet officer has seen a Romulan ship in nearly a century, but that doesn't mean that the Federation isn't watching the border area like a hawk for any evidence of humanity's old enemy making a comeback and starting trouble.
Wow! 
that was a pure 10 in my books!
Loved every second, every twist, and the resulting trip back to the Prime Discoverse 9 months later!
Oh my goodness!
that was a pure 10 in my books!Loved every second, every twist, and the resulting trip back to the Prime Discoverse 9 months later!
Oh my goodness!
You mean the Dominion that was fighting the Klingons, Romulans, and Federation at the same time and winning?
Well, not the Romulans yet...
I'd think any attacker capable of cloaking should be able to grab a lot of territory quickly. I mean, at close ranges, the Klingon cloaks here are like the Romulan one in "Balance of Terror": the presence of the invisible ship is evident, her movements trackable, but targeting is impossible. But at strategic ranges, Klingons (or, in other eras, Romulans etc.) can move their forces to whichever planet they wish, concentrating their attacks, while the Feds have to spread out to defend everything at once. (Indeed, is this how they got to those dilithium mines deep behind UFP lines?)
Losing to the Klingons in 2256 seems assured, as this is the first time the Federation fights an invisible enemy in a war of conquest. Sure, they know of invisibility as a thing, and may have played wargames about a Suliban invasion or something, but then dismissed those because the Suliban aren't attacking.
Nothing else about the Klingon attack seems unmanageable. Indeed, the Feds seemed to be winning hands down, with minimal Starfleet casualties and no mention of civilian ones, up until Kol distributed those cloaks to his allies.
Timo Saloniemi
I'd think any attacker capable of cloaking should be able to grab a lot of territory quickly. I mean, at close ranges, the Klingon cloaks here are like the Romulan one in "Balance of Terror": the presence of the invisible ship is evident, her movements trackable, but targeting is impossible. But at strategic ranges, Klingons (or, in other eras, Romulans etc.) can move their forces to whichever planet they wish, concentrating their attacks, while the Feds have to spread out to defend everything at once. (Indeed, is this how they got to those dilithium mines deep behind UFP lines?)
Losing to the Klingons in 2256 seems assured, as this is the first time the Federation fights an invisible enemy in a war of conquest. Sure, they know of invisibility as a thing, and may have played wargames about a Suliban invasion or something, but then dismissed those because the Suliban aren't attacking.
Nothing else about the Klingon attack seems unmanageable. Indeed, the Feds seemed to be winning hands down, with minimal Starfleet casualties and no mention of civilian ones, up until Kol distributed those cloaks to his allies.
Timo Saloniemi
This surprises anyone? Stamets and Culber were window dressing to tick a box. Their relationship was never supposed to be taken seriously.
Actually, they were winning against the Federation and the Klingons, but with the help of the Cardassians. Once the Romulans joined in, they were losing again until the Breen joined up with a secret weapon that rendered the Klingon and Romulan fleets almost useless.
Yeah I agree, and this was Rapp's weakest performance to date too, in my opinion. He seemed suddenly very unnatural, like he did on episode 3, as if he hasn't had the intervening much stronger episodes.
No.I like this crew. Feels like it's all finally coming together.
They certainly ticked my box.
I wonder if this was filmed around the time that Rapp came forward or was considering coming forward about being assaulted by Kevin Spacey. I can imagine dealing with something like that would impact ones performance no matter how good an actor they are.
Don't know if I am more bothered with the appalling attitudes of some posters or the death of Lorca.
Let's not dwell on that though, 50 pages of it has covered all my dissapointment.
This was my least favourite MU episode but I still gave it an 8.
Did anyone else wonder if Lorca was beamed out rather than vapourised by the energy ball?
Let's not dwell on that though, 50 pages of it has covered all my dissapointment.
This was my least favourite MU episode but I still gave it an 8.
Did anyone else wonder if Lorca was beamed out rather than vapourised by the energy ball?
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