Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"

[Vger23]

I think it was more effective as a surprise to us.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I would rather not have had a scene where we see Burnham calling back to Saru telling him the plan with Tyler's "spacing", and all of us knowing exactly what that plan was. That would have been a much less effective scene.

I agree that it's far better as a surprise. I do wish there was something a little more that foreshadowed / explained it. Maybe not as bad as Worf having the secret off-screen discussion with the Klingons in "The Defector"...but something that made the outcome a little less confusing.

As it stands...it's easy to see what happened in retrospect. But, at that very moment...it was confusing!

 

[cultcross]

I think it was more effective as a surprise to us.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I would rather not have had a scene where we see Burnham calling back to Saru telling him the plan with Tyler's "spacing", and all of us knowing exactly what that plan was. Knowing what was about to happen would have made "the happening" anticlimactic.

Yeah that was a clear narrative choice to preserve a little suspense when you wonder if she's actually executing Tyler - the thought that she might 'go native' is set up in the opening monologue and he has betrayed her quite spectacularly. Having a scene where she rang Saru and told him the plan would have ruined it.

 

[Refuge]

The prior scene establishes that Lorca was in the Captain's ready room, about 10 meters from where Burnham was standing. So, it was very convenient indeed.

Come on there was no reason to have him on the bridge other than he was needed to smirk in the next scene. He's an enemy and should have been dragged off back to his torture chamber.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

I thought it might be too big but I'm seen the Connie hull in there.

I see it too. Like they built a fortress extension onto it. That's one way to protect a valuable prize

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

If you think too hard about it, the MU just folds as a concept. But you don't...

Exactly. Thinking too seriously about the concept of the MU as we had seen in TOS, DS9, and ENT would make the MU as presented in those Star Trek series seem like quite a dumb and impossible idea. However, we are Star Trek fans, and we can be OK with not taking the concept too seriously and just going with it.

The ludicrousness of the MU is what it is....and what it is is Star Trek.

 

[Vger23]

Come on there was no reason to have him on the bridge other than he was needed to smirk in the next scene. He's an enemy and should have been dragged off back to his torture chamber.

There was dialogue earlier in the episode where she had Lorca taken to the Ready Room to question him. It was really the only place they could have the conversation. The brig is filled with other folks...so that's out. Her quarters are inappropriate and would have raised concerns most likely...so the Ready Room actually makes sense if you think about it.

It's also perfectly reasonable that she needed to talk with him immediately, given what she learned about Ash Tyler. So, I actually think this one fits well.

 

[cultcross]

Plus it makes sense to drag your prisoner/bargaining chip to present to the emperor who just Holophoned you. Her 'capture' of Lorca is her whole legend and potentially the only way to avoid the emperor destroying her.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

There was dialogue earlier in the episode where she had Lorca taken to the Ready Room to question him. It was really the only place they could have the conversation. The brig is filled with other folks...so that's out. Her quarters are inappropriate and would have raised concerns most likely...so the Ready Room actually makes sense if you think about it.

It's also perfectly reasonable that she needed to talk with him immediately, given what she learned about Ash Tyler. So, I actually think this one fits well.

I think 'Refuge' means there is no reason in the eyes of the MU crew to have Lorca on the bridge.

Plus it makes sense to drag your prisoner/bargaining chip to present to the emperor who just Holophoned you. Her 'capture' of Lorca is her whole legend and potentially the only way to avoid the emperor destroying her.

Did Burnham know the Empress was coming?

 

[MacLeod]

Yeah that was a clear narrative choice to preserve a little suspense when you wonder if she's actually executing Tyler - the thought that she might 'go native' is set up in the opening monologue and he has betrayed her quite spectacularly. Having a scene where she rang Saru and told him the plan would have ruined it.

Well when she's about to use the transporter she uses another set of controls prior to using the beaming control. I half expected her to have beamed him somewhere else i.e the planet or elsewhere in the shipand not into space which she did.

 

[dahj]

I think 'Refuge' means there is no reason in the eyes of the MU crew to have Lorca on the bridge.

Leaving him alone in the ready room would have been weirder...

 

[David]

Say there is a peace accord reached between the federation and the Klingons later this season, surely there would be a release of POWs, might see the real Tyler then.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Nothing personal, but I so hope you're wrong!

Actually, I can very well imagine it appearing. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an epic show down between the Defiant and the Discovery in the season finale (or whichever episode they escape the MU).

The connie is a huge reveal in the newly designed PU. For maximum viewer impact, it will be Enterprise when it's finally shown. To show it now would lessen the impact. I think @Nerys Myk has the right idea with the buried defiant inside the emperor's ship

I agree that it's far better as a surprise. I do wish there was something a little more that foreshadowed / explained it. Maybe not as bad as Worf having the secret off-screen discussion with the Klingons in "The Defector"...but something that made the outcome a little less confusing.

As it stands...it's easy to see what happened in retrospect. But, at that very moment...it was confusing!

We have JJ to thank for this. Leaving plot holes to move the action along and let the fans fill in the blanks. It's lazy writing but it's a sign of the times.

 

[MacLeod]

Leaving him alone in the ready room would have been weirder...

Agreed.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I don't think they needed Ash to be alive to get that computer chip thing back to Discovery.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Say there is a peace accord reached between the federation and the Klingons later this season, surely there would be a release of POWs, might see the real Tyler then.

I think we are seeing what's left of real Tyler. You can't make an omelette without breaking some bones.

 

[cultcross]

Say there is a peace accord reached between the federation and the Klingons later this season, surely there would be a release of POWs, might see the real Tyler then.

I think we have the real Tyler. I think what has happened is a combination of the two people, leaving a hybrid of sorts. The surgery scenes in this week's episode seem to imply that the two beings were involved in combination (you see Voq being cut open at the same time).

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I don't think they needed Ash to be alive to get that computer chip thing back to Discovery.

Saru explained that when he told Tyler:

We are stranded in a cruel, anarchic world, but we are still Starfleet, and we still live and die by Federation law.
No matter how heinous your crimes.​

 

[fireproof78]

Come on there was no reason to have him on the bridge other than he was needed to smirk in the next scene. He's an enemy and should have been dragged off back to his torture chamber.

Yes, Star Trek has never done that before...

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think 'Refuge' means there is no reason in the eyes of the MU crew to have Lorca on the bridge.


Did Burnham know the Empress was coming?

It's Star Trek. Unneeded people on the bridge in an everyday occurrence

 

[Refuge]

Did Burnham know the Empress was coming?

The holo message was played after he was on the bridge.