t'pol got killed on the nx-class uss avenger -> no petrified vulcan ear bones for you, i'm afraid
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"
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t'pol got killed on the nx-class uss avenger -> no petrified vulcan ear bones for you, i'm afraid
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We know from dialogue in an episode that Phlox had been a physician for about 50 years by the time he joins Enterprise's crew and we can probably and safely assume he was already a grown adult of his species who'd just completed years of medical training at that point. So add a good 30 years to that number and we're probably looking at a character that's approaching 100 during the series.
Even if it didn't count as allegory it would still function as world building elements and add to the character drama. Plus you can always have some Data/Spock moments where were the aliens are the ones commenting on earth racism.
Jason
No, she didn't. She was on the Defiant when it was attacked BY the Avenger. We have no idea what eventually happened to her, although it's likely she was executed by Archer or Hoshi.
Of course it's possible though they live as long if not longer than Vulcans. Maybe even as long as Guinan's people.
Jason
we saw her on avenger and then avenger got shredded - hoshi was still archer's plaything and in no position to have her emergency beamed over just to finish her off later
Possibly. We've never seen an elderly Denobulan and no average lifespan was ever mentioned that I can recall.
T'Pol was never on board the Avenger. You're thinking of Soval.
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Yeah, T'Pol remained aboard the Defiant during the final battle. What happened to her afterwards we don't know, though it's possible that Hoshi had her executed now that Archer was dead and she'd assumed control over the ship.
okay, i looked it up - i stand corrected (i'd sworn she was there)
Except the quantum signature clearly shows it is from the main, and people and things are known to nip back and forth elsewhere. So whatever happens, it is the main universes Defiant. You are perceiving the universes a distinct parallel timelines, they are not, as people from each habena effect in the other. They are separate groupings of timelines...think of a rope....where individual threads have got inadvertently interwoven. Perhaps hair in braids is a better analogy. The timeline for mirror O’Brien, Bareil etc, all interweave I to the main and have an effect, the timelines of Sisko, Jake etc all interweave the other way. The Defiants individual timeline as an object not only interweaves, but does so in a way the joins it earlier along the braid.
Essentially the same is true for Spock Prime and Nero over in the KT, and if a common twentieth century is shared, there are strands that come back there also...however this plays into Peggs view, because logically the events of ST IV must occur in all timelines and universes with that shared twentieth century...so, who fixes it for each universe? Did KT Kirk and Scott go pick up some humpback whales in their Enterprise A somewhere else?
It’s easy as pie tbh, there’s no evidence for the decoupling from linearity you speak of, it’s just a matter of perspective...the Defiants lifespan is linear, from its perspective.
nope
tos has defiant as an 'ordinary' ship. there is no remark from spock about 'the ship that came out of nowhere some time ago' (there aren't that many connies that one more just doesn't count - they are not exactly like m4 shermans, are they?)
if they came back on board defiant (mirror universe) starfleet would not simply reuse her but most likely take her apart to find out what exactly had happened (they still have their regular defiant, don't they?)
strictly speaking they can't go back to their regular universe on defiant anyway as when they left it there was only one defiant supossed to be there until it would have vanished tos-wise. this is how parallel universes come into existence (well, one way we know so far - there may be others)
it's also a way to get so me fish into your pond
I am not suggesting the Defiant is in a time loop (that was someone else’s hypothetical. What I am saying is that the mirror Defiant (which isn’t technically mirror) is the Defiant that went missing in the Tholian Web. If foreknowledge of any kind changes that, then that would affect the Defiant as it is in the mirror universe. If you stick a letter in the Captains room, warning him, then that letter will now be in the Mirror Defiant. These are on screen facts. There are not two defiants, there is one that moved between universes and times, started in a and went to b, but arrived in b before it left a.
If the timeline branches, then Movie TOS Kirk goes uptime to all possible futures from 1986, including the Kelvin timeline.
However mirror universes had their own big bang, because they are unconnected to any other mirror universe, otherwise their quantum signatures would be the same.
However mirror universes had their own big bang, because they are unconnected to any other mirror universe, otherwise their quantum signatures would be the same.
being an american show why would they give a rat's ass for brexit?
Because there’s a world outside of America. DSC screens there, and Trek takes cultural clues from all of it. Shocking I know, but three of the cast are actually British.
Gene Roddenberry, Nichol Nichols and a slew of others say otherwise.
... and then i thaught 'location: london' equals 'adjusted to sarcasm'
Some SF is allegory free. But, Trek definitely isn’t one of them.
that's not sf, that's wild west gone outer space
Wagon Train To The Stars home dude.
Y’know...I always hated westerns.
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