Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

[guyute03]

Really curious where this show takes its small story arcs in the future. First Klingon war then a Mirror U deep dive I don't really know what to expect next, and that is wonderful.

 

[jaime]

I figured it all out. I understand... It all makes sense.

The "Palace" IS the Defiant. That's the Emperor's floating palace! Hoshi took over the Empire, but she wasn't about to leave her ship, her only advantage. It became the throne, and still is. It's traaaa ditioooooon...tradition!

Lorca is trying to get to it. Stamets is warning them to stay away from it. Mirror Lorca went missing after attempting to take over the empire. What greater aspirations could one have? And what happened to this "failed coup Lorca"? And what happened to the Lorca that Admiral Cornwall used to know? The one that didn't have "agonizer scars" on his back.

The Lorca we know is a "magnificent liar" and doesn't remember what Cornwall remembers.

I think it’s highly likely.

 

[Borgminister]

I think they will. The ep 11 preview shows Stamets back in the chamber with his milky eyes and clearly suffering. He’d only do it for the person he loved (seen earlier cradling Culber’s body, and Stamets has his milky eyes then too)

*sigh* It better be well written and executed.

 

[cbl1]

Yes - I believe we will see the emperor (Georgiou) because the Defiant will still be the emperors flagship (and they are looking to find the Defiant).

 

[cbl1]

I hope there is no reset button where they return to our the prime universe at exact time they left with everyone back safe (way to Voyager).

 

[cbl1]

I have been watching many Voyager reruns on BBCAmerica lately. And honestly it would have been a good show if it weren't for so many lingering threads that were never re-explored and the constant resets with no repercussions from the prior episodes events. To me Discovery has been the opposite of that (as many have said very much more Battlestar-esc). Everything in characters past seems to have repercussions and that's great.

I think the only way out of this current situation with the doctor (without some voyager like reset or a stupid miracle ability by Stamets) is to somehow bring the mirror universe doctor back with them. Then they could focus on the changed relationship and rebuilding the relationship with Stamets which could be cool. I know on after trek they said we wouldn't see the mirror doctor (but then maybe they stretched the truth to throw people off after he said he would be back).

 

[cbl1]

What if Stamets were dead in the mirror universe and the mirror doctor was grieving for him. That would fit in with Wilson Cruz's comments regarding their love for each other and beginning of story. It would give a kind of they were fated to be with each other aspect to the story that seems to be what Wilson eludes to.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I have been watching many Voyager reruns on BBCAmerica lately. And honestly it would have been a good show if it weren't for so many lingering threads that were never re-explored and the constant resets with no repercussions from the prior episodes events. To me Discovery has been the opposite of that (as many have said very much more Battlestar-esc). Everything in characters past seems to have repercussions and that's great.

I think the only way out of this current situation with the doctor (without some voyager like reset or a stupid miracle ability by Stamets) is to somehow bring the mirror universe doctor back with them. Then they could focus on the changed relationship and rebuilding the relationship with Stamets which could be cool. I know on after trek they said we wouldn't see the mirror doctor (but then maybe they stretched the truth to throw people off after he said he would be back).

Or stamets is a gary mitchel, and somehow has the power to cure culber?

 

[Prax]

I have been watching many Voyager reruns on BBCAmerica lately. And honestly it would have been a good show if it weren't for so many lingering threads that were never re-explored and the constant resets with no repercussions from the prior episodes events. To me Discovery has been the opposite of that (as many have said very much more Battlestar-esc). Everything in characters past seems to have repercussions and that's great.

I think the only way out of this current situation with the doctor (without some voyager like reset or a stupid miracle ability by Stamets) is to somehow bring the mirror universe doctor back with them. Then they could focus on the changed relationship and rebuilding the relationship with Stamets which could be cool. I know on after trek they said we wouldn't see the mirror doctor (but then maybe they stretched the truth to throw people off after he said he would be back).

OHHHH, I'm afraid..it is you..who are mistaken..
About..a..great..many..things...

 

[Nyotarules]

*sigh* It better be well written and executed.

Just like Nomad fixed dead Scotty, brilliant moment!

 

[Feron]

Just like Nomad fixed dead Scotty, brilliant moment!

Well, they have said that they want to take us towards TOS, after all...

 

[jaime]

I have been watching many Voyager reruns on BBCAmerica lately. And honestly it would have been a good show if it weren't for so many lingering threads that were never re-explored and the constant resets with no repercussions from the prior episodes events. To me Discovery has been the opposite of that (as many have said very much more Battlestar-esc). Everything in characters past seems to have repercussions and that's great.

I think the only way out of this current situation with the doctor (without some voyager like reset or a stupid miracle ability by Stamets) is to somehow bring the mirror universe doctor back with them. Then they could focus on the changed relationship and rebuilding the relationship with Stamets which could be cool. I know on after trek they said we wouldn't see the mirror doctor (but then maybe they stretched the truth to throw people off after he said he would be back).

We already know Mirror Stamets and Stamets have either switched back and forth multiple times ( and if Lorca is MU, odds on Stamets and his lab were too.)

 

[Nyotarules]

Well, they have said that they want to take us towards TOS, after all...

Exactly we can have a 'Bones dead in Shore leave' moment, one scene he was dead, a few scenes later he was right as rain. And the tv audience accepted it.

 

[Scout101]

Maybe the black Starfleet badges were for the mirror universe people that mirror Lorca infiltrated into his ship as his own guards/loyal crew?

Speaking of odd things that disappeared quickly...

 

[jaime]

Interrupt mid post lol. Forgot to add Stamets May be the same person across all universes cos of the spores.

 

[ISS-Magnum]

 

[Jadeb]

I watched this again. The Mirror stuff is great fun, but I thought much of the rest of it plodded on rewatch. I'm really over the Voq and Klingon storylines in general, I think. That said, Mary Wiseman impressed me even more the second time. Loved Saru's reaction to the Captain Killy nickname. Doug Jones does a great job delivering the line.

 

[cbl1]

OHHHH, I'm afraid..it is you..who are mistaken..
About..a..great..many..things...

Sorry new user (not very welcome appears). Please enlighten me as to how I'm so mistaken in my thoughts.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yes - I believe we will see the emperor (Georgiou) because the Defiant will still be the emperors flagship (and they are looking to find the Defiant).

Perhaps the Defiant is the Emperor's mobile "palace" - precisely the place where Stamets said they shouldn't go.

 

[JD]

I've seen several people theorize that the Emperor is Georgiou, but I'm wondering if it could be Mudd.

I figured it all out. I understand... It all makes sense.

The "Palace" IS the Defiant. That's the Emperor's floating palace! Hoshi took over the Empire, but she wasn't about to leave her ship, her only advantage. It became the throne, and still is. It's traaaa ditioooooon...tradition!

Lorca is trying to get to it. Stamets is warning them to stay away from it. Mirror Lorca went missing after attempting to take over the empire. What greater aspirations could one have? And what happened to this "failed coup Lorca"? And what happened to the Lorca that Admiral Cornwall used to know? The one that didn't have "agonizer scars" on his back.

The Lorca we know is a "magnificent liar" and doesn't remember what Cornwall remembers.

Oh, I like that idea. I was wondering how what he was saying was going to end up being significant. Could he be seeing into different times as well as universes?