Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

[ChristopherPike]

I still find the thought of a TNG Mirror crew aboard a mighty Terran Empire ship, at odds with DS9 "Crossover" and Kira's line about Spock's reforms - as a consequence of meeting our Kirk - and a century of his efforts to bring change and peace - leading to Earth and Vulcan being conquered by the Klingon/Cardassians.

But then I read hardly any comics or novels these days, and although I read Dark Mirror back in the day, I saw it as being overwritten by onscreen canon. Pretty much as First Contact did to books such as Federation or Strangers from the Sky.

 

[Rhodan]

I wonder if the Mirror U Enterprise D was at that huge assembly of ships in TNG's 'Parallels'.

Well they were supposed to be that shooting ship at the end (which was replaced by feral Riker from borgverse), but DS9 guys stopped that...

 

[Philip Guyott]

I’m guessing that those who voted to say this episode was terrible were thinking that because this is the mirror universe and everything is alternate that ‘terrible’ actually means ‘excellent’ and ‘excellent’ means ‘terrible’.

“….it’s this alternate universe. It just doesn’t make any sense.” - Rom

 

[Tuskin38]

Saru are all back in Federation uniforms

Saru never changed uniforms

My only fear is that they make Culber return to normal as a "miracle" of the mycelium network.

They hinted to that in After Trek

Mirror Culber?

They said in After Trek they won't be doing a Mirror Culber

I think this is an alternate mirror universe from TOS

Nah it's the same one

I still find the thought of a TNG Mirror crew aboard a mighty Terran Empire ship, at odds with DS9 "Crossover" and Kira's line about Spock's reforms - as a consequence of meeting our Kirk - and a century of his efforts to bring change and peace - leading to Earth and Vulcan being conquered by the Klingon/Cardassians.

But then I read hardly any comics or novels these days, and although I read Dark Mirror back in the day, I saw it as being overwritten by onscreen canon. Pretty much as First Contact did to books such as Federation or Strangers from the Sky.

It's a big Multi-verse, there could be an alternate-Mirror Universe where the Empire didn't collapse.

 

[Bay17]

Apologies if this has been raised already

Keyla was on the Shenzhou and injured as a result of Burnham’s actions. When Burnham came on board Discovery, the injured and “repaired” Keyla gave her a very dirty look

Since then we’ve heard nothing from Keyla and nothing about the relationship between them. It could be a good storyline.

At the moment Burnham has got no one against her on Discovery. Tilly likes her, Ash likes her, Lorca likes her, Saru likes her (after mending their relationship)

It would have been good to see someone not like her - especially someone who remembers her actions on board the Shenzhou and was seriously affected by them

 

[Bay17]

My only fear is that they make Culber return to normal as a "miracle" of the mycelium network.

I think they will. The ep 11 preview shows Stamets back in the chamber with his milky eyes and clearly suffering. He’d only do it for the person he loved (seen earlier cradling Culber’s body, and Stamets has his milky eyes then too)

 

[Bay17]

And also...

Why have we seen nothing more about Lorca’s sensitive eyes since the first few episodes? It was an interesting character quirk which could have meant something longer term. Maybe it still will, in which case why no reference to it for some time?

Just trying to get my first 14 posts in!

 

[dahj]

Why have we seen nothing more about Lorca’s sensitive eyes since the first few episodes?

It was referenced in the previous episode... Lorca uses the eyedrops before blowing the Ship of the Dead to smithereens.

 

[NaughtyTrekkie]

And besides, the only reason the USS Discovery crew ever knew where they were, and how to act, was because they had a convienent Klingon/Vulcan data core to find, so they had plenty of time to prepare. The ISS crew wouldn't have that. And they'd be far too slow on the uptake to be able to take advantage of one, in any case.

ISS should know of RU because of the USS defiant.

If the MU rebels knows of USS Defiant and knows where it is from, sure the ISS Discovery crew know it too

 

[NaughtyTrekkie]

And also...

Why have we seen nothing more about Lorca’s sensitive eyes since the first few episodes? It was an interesting character quirk which could have meant something longer term. Maybe it still will, in which case why no reference to it for some time?

Just trying to get my first 14 posts in!

he cured his eyes just before he destroyed the Sarcophagus ship.

 

[Nyotarules]

I wonder if the Mirror U Enterprise D was at that huge assembly of ships in TNG's 'Parallels'.

Just as there are parallel 'normal' universes there should be parallel 'mirror' universes

 

[Scout101]

It doesn't really matter once they start talking about their history, and you drag it out through time. You should only have universes that are THAT similar when the divergence is very recent. the longer they are different (and evil, murderous twins of everyone you know is pretty different) the more they are going to diverge. ENT made the most sense if First Contact was the divergent point (although they even broke that by implying everyone was always evil), as not much time had passed before ENT happened, so you could still have a lot of similarities. By TOS even, far too much should be different for Kirk and co. to be mostly the same, with the same tech, in the same location, etc. Down to McCoy having the same stain on his table.

Like I said, it's evil twin cosplay, and the tv show isn't fun if you don't use the same actors, but it makes less than no logical sense.

You can have infinite parallel universes, but it should mean they were similar until something diverged, and then all bets are off. Pretty impossible to have one where SO MUCH is different (and so many killed), but it still bumps along about the same anyway other than goatees and mid-riffs...

 

[guyute03]

Spoiler: Spoilers for next week

Am I seeing things? Is Ash Tyler fighting Mirror Voq in that promo?

 

[jaime]

It doesn't really matter once they start talking about their history, and you drag it out through time. You should only have universes that are THAT similar when the divergence is very recent. the longer they are different (and evil, murderous twins of everyone you know is pretty different) the more they are going to diverge. ENT made the most sense if First Contact was the divergent point (although they even broke that by implying everyone was always evil), as not much time had passed before ENT happened, so you could still have a lot of similarities. By TOS even, far too much should be different for Kirk and co. to be mostly the same, with the same tech, in the same location, etc. Down to McCoy having the same stain on his table.

Like I said, it's evil twin cosplay, and the tv show isn't fun if you don't use the same actors, but it makes less than no logical sense.

You can have infinite parallel universes, but it should mean they were similar until something diverged, and then all bets are off. Pretty impossible to have one where SO MUCH is different (and so many killed), but it still bumps along about the same anyway other than goatees and mid-riffs...

It’s probably quantum entanglement. There’s beard particles zipping back and forth.

 

[eschaton]

You can have infinite parallel universes, but it should mean they were similar until something diverged, and then all bets are off. Pretty impossible to have one where SO MUCH is different (and so many killed), but it still bumps along about the same anyway other than goatees and mid-riffs...

Not impossible, just highly improbable. If there is an infinite number of alternate universes, pretty much everything which is allowed by the laws of physics has to be happening somewhere.

That said, the likelihood of any one individual existing when there is a POD centuries later is very unlikely. Even presuming that their parents successfully get together, and bone on the same night, the average man has 200-500 million sperm per ejaculate. If the "wrong" sperm fertilizes the egg (which is almost a certainty) you end up with a "sibling" of the person. Add to this that in the "evil" Mirror Universe we know a lot of characters (who would otherwise probably have kids eventually) get killed, and continue on for several centuries, and there should be no recognizable individuals.

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

Spoiler: Spoilers for next week

Am I seeing things? Is Ash Tyler fighting Mirror Voq in that promo?

Looks like it to me. At about the 20 sec mark.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Looks like it to me. At about the 20 sec mark.

That's gonna be so cool,

 

[ClintDagger]

Did anyone else think the writers were using the Mirror Universe as another example of the xenophobic alt-right and/or insular foreign culture? Is it going to become another allegory and message to examine today's politics?

I sincerely hope not. I’m so sick of modern politics that the last thing I want is more commentary on it. Besides, I don’t see any imperialistic / xenophobic powers in the world that they could be commenting on.

Everyone have to look at episode 11 trailer and see what I'm seeing. At the scene when Sarek is about to do a mind mild on Burnham. There's at the end of the Table is a Klingon that look like Voq. To his right, there's a Klingon that look like the Klingons from the movies. ST'TNG, STDS9, and Enterprise.

Nice catches! I’ll have to go back and watch it.

And also...

Why have we seen nothing more about Lorca’s sensitive eyes since the first few episodes? It was an interesting character quirk which could have meant something longer term. Maybe it still will, in which case why no reference to it for some time?

Just trying to get my first 14 posts in!

I’ve been keeping an eye on that as well. If we don’t see Lorca doing that over the next few episodes, it could be a sign that this isn’t “our” Lorca anymore (although I think the Lorca we are seeing is probably the same one we’ve seen since the beginning, MU version or not). Still, it’s a nice thought.

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

That's gonna be so cool,

Presuming it isn't a dream sequence...

It could, if it's not, be the inflection point for Tyler, though; when he undergoes what amounts to a psychotic decompensation and everyone finds out something ain't quite right...

 

[Prax]

I figured it all out. I understand... It all makes sense.

The "Palace" IS the Defiant. That's the Emperor's floating palace! Hoshi took over the Empire, but she wasn't about to leave her ship, her only advantage. It became the throne, and still is. It's traaaa ditioooooon...tradition!

Lorca is trying to get to it. Stamets is warning them to stay away from it. Mirror Lorca went missing after attempting to take over the empire. What greater aspirations could one have? And what happened to this "failed coup Lorca"? And what happened to the Lorca that Admiral Cornwall used to know? The one that didn't have "agonizer scars" on his back.

The Lorca we know is a "magnificent liar" and doesn't remember what Cornwall remembers.