Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"

[Guy Gardener]

100ish crew per ship = 80 ships.

If the Klingons attacked just one planet, the casualties would have gone into the millions very quickly.

Although if you add the Klingons whacking that space station less than a day away from the Battle of the Binary Stars, if it was big enough, and a few ships tethered in for refueling, that may track with "8K"?

It took Picard time to recover psychologically from trauma inflicted by the Borg. Why should Lorca be any different?

I didn't get the show after the first two episodes, but I'm starting to really dig where they're going. Give it time.

Picard lied about recovering, he isn't any different.

 

[Noah_23]

May have been mentioned, but one of the things I love about the kelvin films is the window zoom ins, and I'm loving all the ones in Disco. Every episode we've had some sort of cool window zoom in. Some with the bridge, and I loved the one that zoomed in to the saucer ring pylon.

 

[Refuge]

Well, to be fair, it's not like he's walking around shooting people.

Yes, Lorca sleeps with a phaser, and yes, he did freak out at Cornwell in bed. But she did wake him up without warning by poking around at his scars. So it's understandable that he was a bit on edge. Isn't that a symptom of PTSD - reacting immediately and forcefully at being awoken by unexpected things?

That said, I rather think Cornwell will be a bit more understanding of Lorca's condition once she returns from Klingon captivity.

Pretty much my take on things. Must be really uncomfortable sleeping with a loaded 'gun' poking in your head.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Better than... It's a fucking proverb!

"Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man"

Day of the Dove.

One running Klingon is not going to slit 4 thousand throats if half of his victims have a phaser under their pillow.

 

[Kemaiku]

I think it was pretty unclear to what that 8000+ casualty figure actually referred to.

8160-ish people dead in the first 6 days, that Burnham knew about. The total deathcount on the Federation side.

7 months on, knowing Klingons are well inside Federation space and attacking ships and colonies means probably many more thousands dead.

There's a brutal war happening and we're given no real sign of it. And one that's shaping the entire quadrant and known to everyone including civilians, that we never heard about in TOS at all. With Kirk acting like war with the Klingons in Errand of Mercy was unheard of in his career.

 

[Gonzo]

May have been mentioned, but one of the things I love about the kelvin films is the window zoom ins, and I'm loving all the ones in Disco. Every episode we've had some sort of cool window zoom in. Some with the bridge, and I loved the one that zoomed in to the saucer ring pylon.

We have been treated to some great sweeping camera shots, we have had a shot along the underneath of the hull to the shuttlebay in episode 3, a nice close up of the Saucer spinning,a great shot from underneath the saucer and along the neck to the shot we got this week zooming in to the connecting hallway of the saucer.

 

[Amaris]

Oh, the ship is definitely one of my favorite aspects of the series. When they first did the reveal, I was disappointed. I didn't like it at all, but in the time between first reveal and pilot, they did some serious reworking, and I love the obvious care they've put into her character.

 

[Longinus]

8160-ish people dead in the first 6 days, that Burnham knew about.

Where is the six days from?

 

[Mr Awe]

Exactly so.

Discovery's major story-point conceits are about as bereft of science as any episode of the 1978 BSG.

NOPE. Because ... REASONS!

 

[Kemaiku]

Where is the six days from?

I thought the line was "the first six days" of war, it was in the trailer after the two part premiere.

 

[Longinus]

I thought the line was "the first six days" of war, it was in the trailer after the two part premiere.

It's not in the episode.

 

[Kemaiku]

It's not in the episode.

Must have only included it in the promo for some reason.

 

[Mr Awe]

I can see them going with a mutiny with Burnham and Saru on one side, and Voq on the other -- creating a wedge between Voq and Burnham (assuming they keep going with the two coming closer). Realistically, they can do a pretty interesting story arc with Lorca being tried and then treated and still have him be in the show, and Saru taking over command of the ship with Burnham in conflict with him every step of the way. If they don't do the war any more, there's plenty of story material there.

My guess is that they've already filmed his death scene. We'll see, although maybe not until the second half of the season next year!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I respectfully submit that what militates against your interpretation, however, is the paucity of evidence of just such a devastating Federation/Klingon War in canon. TOS is literally ten years from now. Ten years after a conflict that went to total mobilisation would've left marks all over the culture, marks which would've been commented upon by the characters in TOS, particularly since they would've undoubtedly served in it.

Well there are references by Kirk of having been a soldier. And Garth's comment

You, Captain, are second only to me as the finest military commander in the galaxy.
KIRK: That's very flattering. I am primarily an explorer now, Captain Garth.

wWhich would imply Kirk saw some military action in the past. Both could refer to action in the Klingon-Federation War. Perhaps young Mister Kirk distinguished self in battle and lead to his rapid rise after the war.

 

[Mudd]

5.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I was sad to see her go 'cos I'm Indian-American and I wanted so badly to see a character like me on the ship dammit #marysueslive

I hear you. I'm British and half-Kashmiri, so there are reasons I don't want certain theories about Ash Tyler to be true either. I still think they are though... but then again, he's doing an American accent so...

 

[OpenMaw]

Well there are references by Kirk of having been a soldier. And Garth's comment
wWhich would imply Kirk saw some military action in the past. Both could refer to action in the Klingon-Federation War. Perhaps young Mister Kirk distinguished self in battle and lead to his rapid rise after the war.

I always loved the take on Kirk from that era as described in Starfleet Musuem:
http://www.starfleet-museum.org/avenger-predator.htm

 

[indranee]

I hear you. I'm British and half-Kashmiri, so there are reasons I don't want certain theories about Ash Tyler to be true either. I still think they are though... but then again, he's doing an American accent so...

Well, Nice to meet you...virtually

 

[MvRojo]

Tilly is so green and socially awkward she can't remember not to drop the F-bomb in a professional environment, yet they're trusting her to keep Starfleet's greatest secret.

So you don't think scientists, professionals, or people in military-like organizations curse?

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

100ish crew per ship = 80 ships.

If the Klingons attacked just one planet, the casualties would have gone into the millions very quickly.

Although if you add the Klingons whacking that space station less than a day away from the Battle of the Binary Stars, if it was big enough, and a few ships tethered in for refueling, that may track with "8K"?



Picard lied about recovering, he isn't any different.

That's certainly one way to interpret his behaviour. Incidentally, I'm of the same opinion! Which is why I said, earlier in the thread, many of those administering these tests absolutely know that the people they are testing are going to fudge them a little bit. There are ways to tell, though. Patterns of answering, for example. The MMPI is really good for that.

But, yeah, Picard was no worse.