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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"

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Really starting to dig this show. Last weeks episode already was more Star Trekkie. This episode felt the most like Star Trek that I know and love.
 
"Spaz" is a slur against the disabled in the UK, akin to "retard" or something. I had clocked the post myself, but noted @Push The Button was from the US and ignored it. I've had that misunderstanding before in TNZ.

It's also the nickname of a character in the Bill Murray movie "Meatballs". I never thought of it as a slur, more like someone who can't get their act together, or awkward.
 
A decent, but unremarkable, episode. The speech by V'latak reminded me of the Syrrannites in Enterprise, was he a follower? Anyway, that was pretty much the only thing that reminded me that I was indeed watching a show that's supposed to be part of Star Trek...

The pacing of this episode was way off with Michael's tedious attempts to communicate with Sarek (and a redefinition of the Katra, I believe). The capture of Admiral Cornwell could be seen from miles away. Isaacs is terrific as Lorca.

The visual effects weren't that great, but its television.
 
Really enjoyed this one. Loved Sarek's dilemma (and how it worked out in the long run, with Spock rejecting the VSA for SF) and it looks like Lorca is losing his marbles - I'm eagerly awaiting his descent into being a Crazy TOS Captain™.

Also loved seeing the planets in Vulcan's sky are back from TMP. I wonder which one's Delta Vega?;)
 
Very good episode this week. It seemed all the characters played well off each others. Everything was fine. The Lorca ptsd, Michael-Sarek, Voq/Tyler, Stamets story-lines were all fine.

For some constructive criticism. I just would like the Vulcan actions to be more logical (within their perspective). How would exploding/suicide be the best way to advance your cause? Why refuse Spock or Michael but not refuse both, etc. Why not allow Michael to save you? Of course, Vulcans are supposed to repress their emotions, in the sense they have them, but their actions are not logical at all even within the context of their goals. This just remove the fun of watching a species based on logic. They are just typical humans with human politics and emotions. There's just no point to their species. When I see a Vulcan, I always wonder how would a person pretending to be all logical react to this and that situation. You couldn't do that in this episode. But even if they are not Vulcan, special and are not so logical. The storylines with Michael and Sarek was still very good, it could have been hit out of the ballpark imo with minor adjustment to the Vulcan behavior, dialogue and storylines to make them more aliens and special.

It's fun to watch Tyler knowing he's most probably Voq. They certainly did a good job training him to be human.

This episode was quite enjoyable. Nothing seemed as forced as the other episodes (saying fuck out of nowhere, gay couple discussion to show off a gay couple, childish immorality, etc), maybe beside the Admiral sleeping again with Lorca (in that context), but it was a quick (or quicky ;)) way to show they were somewhat close to each other. Good episode.
 
Really enjoyed this one. Loved Sarek's dilemma (and how it worked out in the long run, with Spock rejecting the VSA for SF) and it looks like Lorca is losing his marbles - I'm eagerly awaiting his descent into being a Crazy TOS Captain™.

Also loved seeing the planets in Vulcan's sky are back from TMP. I wonder which one's Delta Vega?;)

So the series ends with him killing this crew therefore being hunted down, killed by Pike/Kirk and Discovery being another lesson in what not to do in the Enterprise's logs?

Cool
 
They're just following on from "Yesteryear" and Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Non-canon sources have that as T'Khut, Vulcan's sister planet.
Sounds fine to me. We have seen a huge planet/moon on the Vulcan sky so many times, that 'no moon' line is the outlier. But this is a good explanation which fits with both.
 
Finally time for me to watch episode 6, heard good things so here goes.

Great scene of Vulcan, some complained that Vulcan has no moon but you can clearly see the parent planet behind it, admittedly that other planet is really close astronomically speaking and the tidal forces and stresses it places on Vulcan must be huge (incredibly high tides and lots of volcanism :vulcan:).

I also like the Vulcan Shuttle, very blade like, now why couldn't the Klingons have been flying something like that in last weeks episode.

Another lovely zoom in shot of the Discovery, not shy are they, we can now see how large those connecting hallways are between the rings, looks about 30 ft or so.

That battle simulator is pretty advanced, although its clearly just a precursor to what we see in TNG.

Lorca is no fool, he is testing Tyler very carefully indeed just like he will test the Admiral later on in the episode, I think the Tribble test is quicker though.

Lorca knows, the question is what does he intend to do about it, I am talking about Tyler not his Admiral with benefits. :biggrin:

I really do hope he isn't Voq, its just too obvious at this point.

Oh I wasn't expecting an actual Vulcan suicide bomber with himself as the bomb, no surprise there are factions within the Vulcans that don't like us inferior humans, its not something that can ever truly be stamped out.

Continues in another post.
 
I interpret Tilly to be a representation of the future of the Star Fleet that we know is just around the corner. The optimistic positive version that is coming is thanks to people like Tilly.

Either that, or she will be killed for shock value at some point.

Those two points are NOT mutually exclusive either.
This show only has two female main characters. They should rather kill one of the four guys, especially as they already killed two female Starfleet officers, Georgiou and Landry, for shock value. And who knows maybe Cornwell is following soon. Compare that to two prominent male supporting characters, Sarek and Mudd, who have prequel armour and won't die.

In hindsight this whole diversity talk before the show started was a bunch of crap. The gender ratio is as bad as ever and the clear majority of the characters are white like usual. The casting of Michelle Yeoh, Chris Obi, Rekha Sharma and Maulik Pancholy disguised this a bit before, but their characters didn't survive for long. And of course Voq/Tyler aren't played by two POC like most thought before the series started.
 
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...So, what are those marks on Lorca's back? Some sort of odd proof that he, rather than Tyler, is Voq? But Lorca was a prick from the get-go, not merely after his brief captivity. Of all the characters, he's the least changed within these four hero ship episodes.

I'm especially loving the way they introduce "controversial" things that they then effortlessly shrug off within the very next episode or even the very next line: all those "hints" at Tyler's Klingon nature that in fact are utterly innocuous, all the moral outrage that is called the first thing an outsider has a chance to comment on it, all the "this was a generic X plot" stuff being used for something else altogether in the next storyline. And all this being done as smoothly as in "Lethe" doesn't hurt.

Timo Saloniemi

How are the hints at Tyler being klingon suddenly innocuous? I didn't see any reason to believe that.
 
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