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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"

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I dug this one. I was hooked the whole time. Not much more to say than that.

A few observations, though:
- To me, the holo-training appears to be based on much primitive technology. There appeared to be set physical structures inside the room after the program ended. It looks like the intent here is to show a system to project a holographic overlay onto some tangible, non-holographic framework.
- Lorca not only sleeps with a phaser, but with one set to kill.
- I really want to see how the badges are attached to the costumes. I assume they're magnetic, with a backing sewn into the jacket, but the way the actress just popped it off and on really grabbed my attention.
- Also, we've seen Lorca and Tyler wear t-shirt-like undershirts under their jackets. Do women only get tank tops? I'll say it again, not making the undershirt match the departmental colors is a lost opportunity to connect the updated uniforms to TOS.
- The food synthesizers sounded a little sassy with the commentary on the food being ordered.
- We finally see Lorca sit in his captain's chair!
 
Beautiful
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Vulcan has no moon! Idiots.
Didn't get the klingons right. Didn't get that right. :guffaw:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VulcanHasNoMoon
 
Aside from the first two episode I have seen merit in the series increasing per episode....but damn this one was absolute shit. So much so I can't even be bothered to write a proper review. I think I might need to give it a second watch just to see if it was a bad as I think, but I was so unengaged by this episode that I was checking my phone half way through.

Indeed. It didn't help that on the exact same night I happened to rewatch In the Pale Moonlight. How anyone can give this episode an 8/9 considering what the 10s of Trek are like is beyond me. I not only didn't buy into the plot, but by around a quarter of the way into the episode (right before the commercial break where Burnham screamed "Sarek" and immediately following it with her whispered expository monologue) immersion was so heavily broken that I spent the rest of the episode looking for flaws rather than enjoying the story.

I might attempt to rewatch it again to see why people seemingly love this episode, because I just didn't see it at all. I rated the episode a 5/10.

i couldnt disagree more with this statement. she is a fascinating character. every episode she becomes more unraveled. her complexity makes her fun to watch and i think she is well written

I felt like she regressed quite a bit in this episode. The last two episodes had her having a more normal/human effect, to the point I almost forgot about her Vulcan backstory. Here she came across as the weird semi-Vulcan of the first two episodes again. Never mind that she grew up with Amanda Grayson as a mother figure, and served with mostly humans for seven years in Starfleet. The plot required her to be awkward again, so awkward she was.
 
Indeed. It didn't help that on the exact same night I happened to rewatch In the Pale Moonlight. How anyone can give this episode an 8/9 considering what the 10s of Trek are like is beyond me. I not only didn't buy into the plot, but by around a quarter of the way into the episode (right before the commercial break where Burnham screamed "Sarek" and immediately following it with her whispered expository monologue) immersion was so heavily broken that I spent the rest of the episode looking for flaws rather than enjoying the story.

I might attempt to rewatch it again to see why people seemingly love this episode, because I just didn't see it at all. I rated the episode a 5/10.

People could be rating it compared to just other DSC episodes.

I'm rating the episodes on their own.
 
Hopefully they edit out the moon for the DVD release. I am a fairly big trekkie & I missed it.

As for Voq/Ash. I will continue to believe until we see Voq in a scene. However, I am in the camp that thinks there must have been some sort of memory wipe & then implantation done. Think Total Recall or Jason Bourne. His human insight and interactions are too good on the one hand. And Saru hasn't detected him as a threat.

Still think a medical work up would have detected it, however. He would have to have one.

Lastly, I wouldn't assume the Admiral gets similar memory stuff done. L'Rell did that. This is Kol.
 
Indeed. It didn't help that on the exact same night I happened to rewatch In the Pale Moonlight. How anyone can give this episode an 8/9 considering what the 10s of Trek are like is beyond me.
Because I liked it. If I didn't like it, I would have rated it much lower. Other people may give you a myriad number of reasons, but I base my enjoyment of a show on how much I am entertained, and what keeps my attention. This one did well for me. 9/10.
Hopefully they edit out the moon for the DVD release. I am a fairly big trekkie & I missed it.
Why would they waste money doing that?
 
I think the "too" telegraphed comes from us fans picking this up way too early, and to be honest by unfair means, looking for real life actor announcements and stuff. The first half season of DIS is already long in the can. If the writers want to react to criticism, we are not going to see that before the second half of the season. And in-universe the situation is not as clear-cut as of yet.



That's what they call "character development". Trust me, in a few years, Tilly will be a capable command officer, who deserves to get her own ship later own. (If they don't kill her in a cruel twist/rating stunt earlier).
I just can't see a 20 year old Kirk, Picard, Sisko or Janeway exhibiting that kind of scatterbrained, needy behavior (We'll leave Archer off this list for now, he was a throwback). Tilly can be a fine officer in another role (sciences, engineering), but it takes that one-in-a-million person that can rise to the level of commanding a starship, and her character is not being presented that way.
 
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I just can't see a 20 year old Kirk, Picard, Sisko or Janeway exhibiting that kind of scatterbrained, needy behavior (We'll leave Archer off this list for now, he was a throwback). Tilly can be a fine officer in another role (sciences, engineering), but it takes that one-in-a-million person that can rise to the level of commanding a ship, and I just don't see it.
And that's why you'll never make Captain in Starfleet.
 
I just can't see a 20 year old Kirk, Picard, Sisko or Janeway exhibiting that kind of scatterbrained, needy behavior (We'll leave Archer off this list for now, he was a throwback). Tilly can be a fine officer in another role (sciences, engineering), but it takes that one-in-a-million person that can rise to the level of commanding a starship.

Uhm....you do remember what Picard was like at 20, right?

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Tillys effervescent personality does not promote a strong level of confidence or belief in one's ability to be a captain but she's actively seeking advice on how to improve herself, adjust to her circumstances, and train harder. That's better than being a womanizing dirtball who gets himself stabbed.
 
A little bit of Enterprise as well

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I saw the "gothic cathedral" type archways as a callback to ST09. But then again I didn't really watch Enterprise because I found it dumb.

Anyway, the other thing I noted was the head of the selection committee for the Vulcan Expedition was reminiscent of the minister / head of admissions for the Vulcan Science Academy from ST09, albeit a bit younger. One wonders if they were supposed to be the same character.
 
I had a similar weird feeling about Lorca going to disable Cornwell in some way or another.

I really LOVED the fact that he was with someone within spitting distance of his own age! Yay!

I get the feeling Burnham will sense something in Tyler but not know quite what. She'll attribute it to attraction but it'll be something ... else.

Much better emotional arcs in this one; Lorca feels even more complex. Discovery is all he's got. He's also recognizing he'd better toe the line a bit better. The phaser -- that makes sense. He's got PTSD from more than one event and isn't doing anything at all to take care of himself.

I think the spores changed Stamets. He's certainly loosened up, big time. Is it really him?

Hmm ... let's see what Episode 7 will have in store!
But were those scars/marks on his back a result of his recent torture, his previous ship's destruction, or what? Even the Admiral seemed curious and it should/would have been reported by the doctors giving him a physical to clear him for resumption of duty.

As for the episode:

- LOVED the Sarek and Burnham parts (liked the Tyler parts, but even though they're laying it on thick to try and make you think he IS who he says, - a crewman who survived 7 months in a Klingon prison - I still think he's Voq, transformed surgically or by some form of the Klingon Augments virus to be a Klingon spy to get infom on the Spore Drive tech.

- Also, anyone who has an issue with the Sarek/Burnham Mind Link after hearing the genesis of it; if you also then DON'T have an issue with STII:TWoK where Spock (in secods) is able tio transfer his entire 'soul'/personality and memories to Dr, McCoy; and further in STIII:TSFS, a Vulcan Priestess can take that from McCoy, fully seperate it and them re-ingigate it into Genesis Spock's body <-- Yeah, that''s quite a double standard there. ;)

As for the other Lorca/Admiral stuff (where Lorca mentions the Admiral could continue in Sarek's place and complete the diplomatic mission):

- I have a bit of a hard time buying that an Admiral 7 months into this was and knowing what transpired from the Klingons at the Battle of the Binaries would believe Klingons could be trusted in anything diplomatic; or that a Human could take the place of a Vulcan in any negotiation because again, in the first episode, we find the Vulcans and Klingon did have an existing diplomatic relationship that pre-dates the formation of The Federation. But yeah, maybe the war is going that badly and that type of optimism was often present in the TOS era (the people carrying it out just weren't perfect.)

- I also think it's a bit pat on the writing side to get the old trope of: "Hey, when I get back, we will discuss you stepping down" bit (an old trope long before Star Trek and used BY Star Trek many times); because you KNEW once she said it, Lorca was going to get her to somehow go to the Klingon 'diplomacy talks' because he knows full well she'll be captured/killed; and his 'problem' is solved.

- It does really show a truly dark and sociopathic side to Lorca (if there was ever any doubt) - because here's a man who is unabashedly willing to send someone he loved at one time (and he may still to some degree) directly to her imprisonment/torture (which he himself has experienced first hand or even death, to be able to keep his position as a Starfleet Captain. Again, I have no issues with how they are writing the character, as this is something this character WOULD do. I did think it was a bit pat story wise though (IE the Admiral was a little to quickly willing); and something we've seen a few times before in Star Trek.

- I LOVE what this shows about Vulcan society (IE that yes, there is DEEP prejudice and xenophobia still in Vulcan society - and it fits because this was also so blatantly obvious in both TOS - "Amok Time" and TOS - "Journey To Babel" that it works so well. Being logical doesn't mean you can't be evil or fanatical, or free of prejudice and hell one has to wonder if a majority in the Vulcan Government itself feel this way privately, and it's why they were willing to authorize Sarek's diplomatic mission because it'll either work (and end the conflict) or they'll be rid of someone they generally find abhorrent (or at least in their eyes someone with flawed logic reasoning) - thus logically, either way Vulcan 'wins' something.

- I also love that it shows that Sarek DOES CARE deeply for Spock and his future success (yes, he does also care for Burnham, but Spock is his son, so yes, Spock comes first above all else.) It also does dovetail nicely as to why he is so deeply upset that Spock choose Starfleet Academy over the Vulcan Science Academy (probably because Spock himself realized with all the existing prejudice against him, he would probably not have had a fulfilling career - and that's probably something Sarek does realize - but refuses to admit to himself because in his eyes he believes Spock is Vulcan and not Human.

Overall, I liked it a lot. Gave this one an 8.
 
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Because I liked it. If I didn't like it, I would have rated it much lower. Other people may give you a myriad number of reasons, but I base my enjoyment of a show on how much I am entertained, and what keeps my attention. This one did well for me. 9/10.

So do you rate half of Trek episodes 9/10? I dunno, it seems weird - it's like applying ebay rating customs to episodes of a TV show. Any episode I rate a six or higher I enjoy more than I don't. A nine would be reserved for an episode which was almost perfect in terms of its acting, ploting, characterization, dialogue, direction, cinematography, etc. As I said upthread, I had major issues with the quality of the guest actors, the inconsistent characterization with previous episodes, and most concretely, the heavy use of expository monologue and dialogue - the amount of telling this episode did, when it should have shown through actions and emotional performance instead.

The episode had good elements. I liked that, like the last episode, it had a "Trek vibe" and didn't try to cram too many plot twists into one episode. I liked the deepening characterization of Lorca (minus the inexplicable trust he has in Tyler/mother hen attitude towards Burnham, which felt like plot contrivances). But ultimately the strengths of the episode didn't make up for the myriad flaws. At least for me. I can understand why that might not have been the case for others, but I can't understand not seeing the flaws at all.
 
So do you rate half of Trek episodes 9/10? I dunno, it seems weird - it's like applying ebay rating customs to episodes of a TV show. Any episode I rate a six or higher I enjoy more than I don't. A nine would be reserved for an episode which was almost perfect in terms of its acting, ploting, characterization, dialogue, direction, cinematography, etc. As I said upthread, I had major issues with the quality of the guest actors, the inconsistent characterization with previous episodes, and most concretely, the heavy use of expository monologue and dialogue - the amount of telling this episode did, when it should have shown through actions and emotional performance instead.

The episode had good elements. I liked that, like the last episode, it had a "Trek vibe" and didn't try to cram too many plot twists into one episode. I liked the deepening characterization of Lorca (minus the inexplicable trust he has in Tyler/mother hen attitude towards Burnham, which felt like plot contrivances). But ultimately the strengths of the episode didn't make up for the myriad flaws. At least for me. I can understand why that might not have been the case for others, but I can't understand not seeing the flaws at all.
You're reading far too much into it.
 
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