Well, in all fairness, the real-world Patrick Stewart is 77, yet he's married to a woman who's 38. Age is just a number, of course, but I don't think TNG ever had Picard involved with anyone with quite that big an age difference! ;-)
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"
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And not even good burritos.
Good God, I desperately wish they would've found a better actor to play Sarek. James Frain is awful.
However, I gave the ep. an 8. I thought there was some fantastic moments for Lorca, as he demonstrated he's maybe not a complete bastard, though still a gigantic ball of secrets and mystery.
Looks like my prediction about Stamets being The Nerd were correct, although now he's the hypersensitive, excitable nerd.
Still not a huge fan of Burnham, though she was less annoying than in past episodes, though I felt this episode gave her some good growth as well.
The actor playing Sarek is good, just not all that great in this particular role. I do like him better than the one from the Kelvin Universe but the best fake Sarek is still from Trek 5. His "So Human." line is really sad when you see it from Spock's perspective.
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Frain better than Ben Cross?
Yeah no.
Yeah no.
On the other hand, I'm looking at some screen caps of FKB, and I have to say they nailed it with Kirshner. Wow.
Can Amanda be that big a part in Michaels flashback's to childhood, considering how emotionally underdeveloped Spock and Michael are.
Hoity toity upper class monster trying to prove that common filth can make it in high society?
Eliza Doolittle.
Hoity toity upper class monster trying to prove that common filth can make it in high society?
Eliza Doolittle.
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Faith is no "Fair Lady."
Vulcans have always been assholes (even Spock, on a number of occassions). There's very little difference between a know-it-all and an asshole.
The VEF guy explained his logic right there on the screen. It was dependent on the racist assumption that a non-vulcan obviously can't really fit in his precious organization (at least not without lots and lots of preparation - socially, not individually; very 'it will disrupt the unit' type stuff). But if you believe that (as he does), then it's perfectly logical to say that two non-vulcans at once is just too many.
One could see it as a manipulative instinct to circle the wagons: the admiralty is pushing him harder and getting less patient with his rogue decisions. If things come to a head, he can make a better case for himself with a close knit team all around him, vouching for his day-to-day effectiveness. The only way he gets that, though, is by treating them well.
Also, I wonder if his guilt over the Buran hasn't perhaps reached a new stage: previously, he channeled his energy into winning the war and ignoring the people around him. Now he sees the people and can't not compare them to the crew he killed, so he can't keep them as much at a distance.
My assumption at this point is that Voq has voluntarily brainwashed himself to believe everything he's saying, based off information retrieved from the real Ash Tyler who was captured at the Binary Stars and is probably dead now.
Who ever said it died in the first place? That ship full of vulcans on DS9 certainly didn't respect humans much.
I'm not sure I ever noticed trek being especially vulnerable to showing serious relationships at all - especially involving older people.
DS9 had some, but the only one of those that actually involved an older guy notably did seem to have a significant age gap (though, honestly, who even knows what the exact age gap was between Zek and Ishka? And who would even want to know?). The rest focused on the all roughly the same age crew members hooking up amongst one another.
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Overall, I loved this episode. I cannot ever overstate how much I loved Tilly and Michael's new camaraderie. The support they're giving each other, not just moral, not just professional - this is shaping up to be one of the best friendships I've seen on tv since BtVS.
I found Stamets weird, which was obviously the point of the scene. Discussions about him being a mirror version are starting to worry me, since it really did feel like this kind of lent some credence to them, and I don't want this to be a different guy who winds up just being replaced by the original grump upon rescue. I want the grump Stamets and the happier Stamets to be the same person, who is allowed to have different moods and facets, even if some of them may be somewhat under the influence of his magic mushroom trips.
I loved Michael in this episode, as well. Her backstory was artfully woven into Sarek's history in a way that felt meaningful and interesting. I like how she finally realizes that her frustration with the cultural barriers in her family isn't just her problem, but Sarek's, too. And I thought it was funny seeing a mind-meld machine for humans (though Michael with her training/katra is probably the only one who could use it).
I think Ash is shaping up interestingly, and is definitely not a pain to watch or anything, but I'm obviously still convinced he's not who he says/thinks he is.
Most surprising of all for me was how much I loved Lorca in this episode. Reading through the previous episode threads I've been constantly baffled by the endless talk of how amazing he is and how he overshadows all the other characters, when all I saw was vague and ominous hints with very little to grab onto. Now, finally, the character is really drawing me in. I can understand a little bit where he's coming from, but at the same time feel compelled to wonder - just like the admiral - how much of it is real and how much is manipulation.
For instance, the ending: it's obvious Lorca is being self-serving in not rescuing the admiral immediately while the opportunity still exists. I have no doubt if she hadn't confronted him about losing his command, he'd've done so in a heartbeat. But his suggestion that she takes Sarek's place seemed almost aimed at the same outcome, despite his earlier apparent sincerity in thinking the meeting was a real chance at stopping the war. Was that just him hoping for a delay? Or did he expect this to happen to Sarek, too? Was his hope for the peace mission merely a feint to help convince Michael to accept his offer (if so, that's incredibly fast dishonesty - almost pathological)? Or is he really just flailing about in his damaged state, and I (and the Admiral) are giving him too much credit as a manipulator? Maybe he really does wait for SF orders to save her because she told him he had to stop acting like a cowboy. I hope to see lots more of his intriguing twists and turns.
Discovery is the fartest ship in the fleet.
Well, everyone aboard does like to cause a stink.
Also, mushrooms in burritos is a thing.
Also, mushrooms in burritos is a thing.
Abandoning their kids emotionally might NOT actually be normal for Vulcan parents. Sarek is the only Vulcan father who has ever been depicted in the series. I’ve always assumed he is uniquely screwed up. There are probably Vulcans who are not as demanding and more demonstrative in the privacy of their homes and fathers who are truly abusive.
Yeah and Teep's mom seemed just like any old mom to me.
I just caught a glimpse of that Andorian in the spacesuit with the goofy helmet. That's at least worth a 20 minute Trekyards video.
What Tuvok said...
At one point after communication with Earth was restored, Tuvok dug finding out that he was a grampy now.
Good episode but didn't feel as strong as last week and I wasn't quite into the Sarek plotline. I think it may have worked better if instead of rescuing Sarek from shuttle, they actually had to rescue him from the Logic extremists. However, it was good to see Vulcan. It's interesting that Vulcans still portray traits seen in Enterprise. I suppose 100 years is not a long time for Vulcans and while they may be comfortable working with humans, having children with them and accepting them into their premier scientific initiatives is a bit much for them. I thought it was great that the writers are delving into why Sarek is disappointed in Spock and exploring that even though he is vulcan he has failed both his children. We also get some solid confirmation that growing up on Vulcan has messed Burnham up to the point that she doesn't really understand human emotions. It's an interesting spin on the 'character who studies humanity' trope. Here we have a human who needs more help being human.
I'm really invested in Lorca. He's a broken man on a collision course. The Klingons are Lorca's white whale and he will do whatever it takes, manipulate whoever he needs to and lie to stay in the fight with them. Lorca's interactions with Cornwell, gave us the insight that Lorca has not always been the man he is now and whatever happened on the Buran has ruined him. It's not the Discovery that is the last thing he has, it's the war with Klingons. Lorca's actions regarding Cornwell are going to have repercussions and probably push him to the edge leading to conflict with Saru and Burnham.
The crew is really jelling. The Ash, Tilly, Burnham troika was fun. Stamets is clearly having his mind blown by the spores on a regular basis. I don't think we are seeing a mirror Stamets or anything, but more a really high Stamets.
7.5/10 captured admirals
Next week looks interesting, a temporal anomaly and Mudd. I'm guessing the two are connected. I'm wondering if the Klingons are using Mudd to get the spore drive, who is only too happy to do it to get revenge on Lorca.
I'm really invested in Lorca. He's a broken man on a collision course. The Klingons are Lorca's white whale and he will do whatever it takes, manipulate whoever he needs to and lie to stay in the fight with them. Lorca's interactions with Cornwell, gave us the insight that Lorca has not always been the man he is now and whatever happened on the Buran has ruined him. It's not the Discovery that is the last thing he has, it's the war with Klingons. Lorca's actions regarding Cornwell are going to have repercussions and probably push him to the edge leading to conflict with Saru and Burnham.
The crew is really jelling. The Ash, Tilly, Burnham troika was fun. Stamets is clearly having his mind blown by the spores on a regular basis. I don't think we are seeing a mirror Stamets or anything, but more a really high Stamets.
7.5/10 captured admirals
Next week looks interesting, a temporal anomaly and Mudd. I'm guessing the two are connected. I'm wondering if the Klingons are using Mudd to get the spore drive, who is only too happy to do it to get revenge on Lorca.
Enjoyed this one, but not as much as last week. The Sarek stuff was diverting enough, especially for the explanation re: his feud with Spock (take that, continuity whingers) but not spectacular in itself. The episode gained points for the Lorca/Cornwell stuff as once again the show proved that its audience aren't seeing things that the writers have 'missed', but in fact the clues laid are part of deliberate plotlines - she is worried about Lorca and how he is recovering (or not) from the traumatic things that have happened to him. I loved their scenes together and I buy their relationship. Shouldn't be unusual, but a man presenting violence against a woman and not being immediately forgiven and fawned over was nice to see. She was taking none of that bollocks.
I like Lt Tyler, a good addition and if he does turn out to be a spy, they're setting up a nice shock value by building a friendship with Burnham. Burnham and Tilly's friendship continues to be a highlight of the show, and the first direct namedrop for the Enterprise got in there too!
More for the stuff on Discovery than the rescue story, this episode gets a 7/10 from me.
I like Lt Tyler, a good addition and if he does turn out to be a spy, they're setting up a nice shock value by building a friendship with Burnham. Burnham and Tilly's friendship continues to be a highlight of the show, and the first direct namedrop for the Enterprise got in there too!
More for the stuff on Discovery than the rescue story, this episode gets a 7/10 from me.
Just wanted to mention how much I appreciate all the episode note-takers. It's extremely useful to have that from so many different people, posting their notes on what THEY noticed. We are all different people, with different perspectives, and it's valuable to see what everyone takes away from each episode. I make it a point to read all the notes taken.
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