Is this show actually "character driven" at all?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by eschaton, Oct 12, 2017.

  1. Noname Given

    Noname Given Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I'd say probably not. - IE no, they had probably not encountered a situation that escalated in the same way this one did in the past 7 years.

    The fact it was Klingons didn't help, but I don't think the fact it was Klingons was something that 'triggered' anything. It was the whole situation:

    - It was a setup (IE the relay was destroyed to bring a Strfleet ship here)

    - After seeing the Klingon on the Beacon Burnham was tyerying to understand what the setup was

    - After seeing 24 ships (and she knows the Klingons have 24 houses) she runs off the Bridge to consult with Sarek. (Because he's a Vulcan Ambassador she can tap who may have more info on klingon motivation as she knows Viulcan has had diplomatic relations with the Klingons before the Federation.)

    - Once she consults with Sarek, she has (in her mind) a clear idea of why the Klingons have set this up and relates that to Captain Georgiou; INCLUDING an action Burnham believes will ultimately end the situation and save everyone on the ship. She further believes that if they DON'T take said action, everyone on the ship will die from a klingon attack - and a war VS a unified klingon Empire could be the result.

    It isn't PTSD that drives Burnham to mutiny once Captain Georgiou decides against the Vulcan Hello; it's Burnham's internal (and to her logical although it's driven by her 100% emotional connection to her Captain and crew) decision that the Vulcan Hello is the ONLY thing that will save the ship.

    It also isn't PTSD that drives her heat of the moment decision to kill T'Kuvma. If a Andorian/Tellerite/<insert favorite alien species here> had killed Captain Georgiou under similar circumstances - Burnham would have done the same thing.
     
  2. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    Even if they had given us just a season of them working together, it would've been better than what we got.
     
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  3. Tesophius

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    Those first 10 minutes of the Pilot episode show a much better team dynamic and the overall ambiance than anything that followed later..
     
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  4. Kemaiku

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    I think Discovery is fitted with a prototype "You must be this much of an asshole to get on this ride" forcefield that repels most people from entering.

    Except Tilly for some reason. Unless she's a serial killer and none of them have caught on yet.
     
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  5. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    She's a deep cover Klingon or Romulan, or from the Mirror Universe. Maybe it is her that uses the spore drive to get home to the Mirror Universe.
     
  6. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

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    Maybe the next series will be a prequel to the prequel to TOS. The campy episodic adventures of the Shenzhou! I know I'd watch the hell out of that too.
     
  7. Hey Missy

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    I bet the likeable Tilly's next to be killed off. Isn't that what the "modern audience" wants?
    Actually I was rooting when
    Landry
    was killed, though, she was a mega b*tch.
     
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  8. Noname Given

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    IDK - by paying attention and listening to the dialogue in the episodes. It''s all there. She's a HUMAN who was raised by Vulcans. In the flashbacks of her in the learning Vulcan learning center and all her other interactions with Sarek; and Burnham's own reactions to meeting Georgiou for the first time, it's spelled out and easy to follow if you don't have a Trekkie next to you screaming "OMG! No! That's not right!" every 30 seconds. ;)
     
  9. Kemaiku

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    Of course, only a Romulan would need a wig like that to cover all their scalp tattoos!

    Wait...why didn't the breathaliser recognise hints of Romulan Ale on her breath?

    The computer is in on it!
     
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  10. Sir Stewart Wallace

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    Script guide:

    Pew pew
    Lens Flare
    Nod to TOS
    Pew Pew
    Pew Pew
    Lens Flare
    Emotional Moment
    Ending out of nowhere
     
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  11. BillJ

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    Fixed it for you! :lol:
     
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  12. Kemaiku

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    No, wait, still missing 'Sudden swerve towards Enterprise or TNG, can't make up it's mind which'
     
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  13. Sir Stewart Wallace

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    That's what real collaboration looks like.
     
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  14. Tesophius

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    I would def watch it.
     
  15. Sir Stewart Wallace

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    How can we forget "Klingon scene that stops the pacing dead in its tracks"?
     
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  16. Cake

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    DS9 was less serialized and while they did some dark episodes the series was overall lighter. They even had with Quark a main character who was mainly used for comedy. It was part of DS9 from the start to let the characters occasionally have some fun.

    DIS seems different. It just appears to me that the producers/writers want to create a super serious series and think any fun would counteract their dark and depressive vision. They seem very averse towards light and fun likely because it would make their series less pretentious. So while other series have successfully mixed light and darkness, I don't think it is in DIS's DNA.
     
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  17. Hey Missy

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    ^ Exactly. Ever since DIS was announced nearly 3 years ago, many fans were almost BEGGING them to balance "light" and "dark" and not be afraid to do wacky stuff like TOS/DS9.
     
  18. eschaton

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    I wondered if they chose seven years in particular since it was the run of TNG, DS9, and VOY. It has no special significance otherwise.
     
  19. GeekUSACarl

    GeekUSACarl The Last Starfighter Fleet Captain

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    I think many fans were also hoping to not retread all that, chasing tng and tos gave us ent /shudder
     
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  20. Long Syntax

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    See, I told you I was reading it wrong:bolian: