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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

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There's no reason to assume that Ripper is sentient just because it suffers and has a lot of coordinates in its head. A 10 year old GPS can find its way around, but I still don't think it suffers if the battery alert comes on.

but it licked Michael affectionately.

maybe we should call it the licker instead and paint it like a panda.
 
True, but it should make one pause and wonder if it is being harmed when it thrashes around in what appears to be pain.

Again, as in the earlier situation when Discovery first went to spore, Burnham is the only one that seems to be paying any real attention to the creature. Everybody else is knee deep in doing their job and making Lorca happy.
 
Setting up some lovely Burnham/Lorca conflict to come. He hired her because she would think left while he thought right. Now we get to see the first issue on which they won't align.
Incidentally, Picard allegedly hired Riker for the same reason, but we never saw it actually play out, because TNG. The closest we every got was in season seven, in The Pegasus. Hopefully, Discovery will pick up that plot thread a touch quicker.
 
Certainly, and the fact that was included so explicitly suggests that's going to be a plot point. Burnham seemed very concerned about the impact of making the tardigrade a beast of burden - I wouldn't be surprised if there's Trek style moralising to come in that very issue, plus the practical side of 'we've only got one of these'.
Archer would just clone it and reuse.
Lost your chief? Clone another for parts. He'll understand.
 
She knows her only hope is to capture him alive, goes there with the express plan to do that, and then kills him instead. Not like he fell on the bat'leth.
On the Klingon ship? He was in the process of stabbing her Captain; to mangle an old saying, you don't take a taser to a bat'leth stabbing. She used deadly force to counter deadly force in an effort to save her Captain. That's not 'murder from revenge'. It's the sensible choice in the circumstances.
 
On the ship? He was in the process of stabbing her Captain, to mangle an old saying, you don't take a taser to a bat'leth stabbing. She used deadly force to counter deadly force in an effort to save her Captain. That's not 'murder from revenge'. It's the sensible choice in the circumstances.

"Stun" doesn't work now? She had to change that setting, which makes it malicious.
 
So the saucer section spins, making the ship look even more like a giant pizza cutter.

We meet the ship's CMO, so far the only likeable character still alive.

We're supposed to believe that the Klingons from Episode 2 spent 6 months aboard the crippled sarcophagus ship adrift and starving. Neither their Klingon allies nor Starfleet bothered to show up to retrieve the cloaking device. Well, at least Starfleet was there to get the telescope, which is probably more important for the war effort. And they ate Georgiou, those bastards!

Security chief Landry bites the dust (second red shirt to do so) and I have to wonder how she survived even that long. That was probably one of the dumbest ways to die in Trek history. At least we know what they meant when they said it was going to be like "Game of Thrones".

Capt. Lorca, the next Rudy Ransom or what?

Lots of new aliens among the Discovery crew but I'd rather like to see some familiar ones instead of only mentioning them (like the Andorians in E03 and the Tellarites in E04).

Don't understand why they have perfectly solid 3d mirros, but shitty translucent Holo-communication.
 
"Stun" doesn't work now? She had to change that setting, which makes it malicious.
Again, she met deadly force with deadly force. You don't risk 'stun' when your captain's being stabbed. Imagine you had a taser and a handgun in that scenario. Your colleague's life hinges on you stopping him in one shot. Which would you use?
 
No. Tilly is friendly, awkward and the sort of silly character who can't carry off a social lie - and she tries, god knows. She's not a dick. Burnham is a world-class dick to most everyone.

I suppose she comes by it honestly, given that most Vulcans we've met other than Spock over the last half-century veer pretty quickly into asshole territory - Sarek's walked the rim of the crater more than a few times.
Yes, Tilly was really friendly:
Tilly: "Sorry, these stations...we had assigned seats..."
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Tilly: "You don't care that everybody hates you..."
(And after all that Burnham still said: "you're a nice kid.")
So yeah please, Tilly is very self centered and is most concerned about how other people think about her, and only gets 'close' to someone that helps her image,

Tilly changed her attitude towards Burnham only because now she sees her as someone who can help further her own career.
 
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Again, she met deadly force with deadly force. You don't risk 'stun' when your captain's being stabbed. Imagine you had a taser and a handgun in that scenario. Your colleague's life hinges on you stopping him in one shot. Which would you use?

When the lives of thousands, if not millions, are on the line, you use "stun."

The needs of the many, as Daddy Sarek might say.
 
Don't understand why they have perfectly solid 3d mirros, but shitty translucent Holo-communication.

Long distance, signal degrades.

I'm starting to like this show more and more. Loads of unlikeable people, that's kinda tricky. And some effects look weird/bad and draw me out at times. But, overall, it's interesting. The teaser for next week makes me excited, so that's good :)
 
When the lives of thousands, if not millions, are on the line, you use "stun."

The needs of the many, as Daddy Sarek might say.

That plan went out the window when her Captain was stabbed. Plus, do we even know Burnham knew what T'Kuvma looked like? Georgiou did, but Burnham wasn't on the bridge during the comm link. She didn't necessarily know who that was until afterwards.
 
The most laughably bad thing about tonight's episode was the holographic mirror in Burnham's quarters.

I sort of agree and sort of disagree. In the end, I don't have strong feelings either way on this.

Clearly, previous Trek series have just used mirrors for mirrors, and that worked fine.

However, the idea of a holographic mirror does seem like a real world invention once the technology becomes cheaply available. I can totally see this becoming a real product. Now, combine it with augmented reality and you can try outfits, hairstyles, makeup, etc just by standing there to see what works and doesn't work.
 
"Stun" doesn't work now? She had to change that setting, which makes it malicious.
It was a bad call, due to the mission goals, but she was being attacked on all sides and probably by whatever rules of engagement they have, she was justified in killing him. Doesn't make her a murderer.
 
These are less sympathetic klingons than Kruge.

Seriously, these are the least sympathetic Klingons in the whole of Star Trek as at least they had reasonable motivations in the old days: conquest, wealth, and plunder. These are fighting for a nebulous ideal they're not "Klingon" enough and can't articulate it any way save disgust at racial harmony.
They're fighting to retain their unique identity and culture against a group of cultures that (as they see it) want to destroy and change Klingon culture because to the Federation's way of thinking, Klingon culture is not the way a true 'enlightened/civilized' culture should behave.
 
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Well, it's nice to see, that the Bug Queen from Starship Troopers lost some weight and got herself a Starfleet commission.
 
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