Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

[CorporalClegg]

I think it's also okay for people to be critical of the show without necessarily hating it. I like watching the show and this episode was okay, but the Klingon scenes dragged it down for me and I don't understand how anyone could grade it a 9/10. But I'm not anyone, so who cares?

I try to have a little perspective.

I mean in all the TV I've watched in my life, there are five - maybe ten - episodes I'd ever consider giving a 10/10. And only a couple of dozen I'd consider a 9/10.

So far, my Disco scores have all been 6s or 7s and sometimes I think even that is too generous.

 

[tomalak301]

No, that's what I'm saying. I adore Tilly. Anytime she looks scared or sad, I feel like I've kicked a puppy, and like I need to apologize or something. Tilly's super adorable. ♥

I feel more sympathy for her like I want to give her a hug and say things are going to be OK. That’s kind of the same reaction I have to puppies as a matter of fact.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Klingon scenes are more often than not the worst parts of each of the first four episodes. With all respect to the jobs the actors have been doing buried underneath that heavy makeup straight out of a California Raisins commercial from 1987 the dialogue is slow, ponderous and marblemouthed. They're trying, but the pacing of the scenes and the makeup just aren't helping.

 

[XCV330]

I would hold the last two episodes as just as good as any of the other best trek episodes. so ill stand by 9/10. I dont expect everyone else to agree, but clearly many do.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Of course, but Dukat was meant to be a villain, but due to the way Mark Alaimo played him (as absolutely sure he was actually the hero) people began identifying with him even though that was not the intent of the writers at all, who wanted him to be...quite literally...Hitler.

Instead they settled for Judas.

 

[Sir Stewart Wallace]

I try to have a little perspective.

I mean in all the TV I've watched in my life, there are five - maybe ten - episodes I'd ever consider giving a 10/10. And only a couple of dozen I'd consider a 9/10.

So far, my Disco scores have all been 6s or 7s and sometimes I think even that is too generous.

Yeah. Even DS9, my personal favorite, doesn't have many 10/10's. Maybe not any. But can you compare something like DS9 and The Sopranos in the same category? Judging just by Star Trek standards, DS9 has a few 10s. Maybe. This show, none yet. But there are only four episodes oh my god I am now arguing with myself.

 

[Jadeb]

The only reason people are falling over Lorca is because of Isaacs.

Unlike Burnham, who acts in ways necessary for the plot, Lorca has understandable motivations. His approach is different than we typically see in Trek but reasonable considering the situation. That makes him interesting to me. Isaacs' presence helps, of course.

I'd be much more keen on the whole show if the writers had made a more convincing case for Burnham's choices in the first two eps. They weren't moral dilemmas so much as premise-establishing stupidity. I'm open to darker Trek, but not dimmer.

 

[Amaris]

I feel more sympathy for her like I want to give her a hug and say things are going to be OK. That’s kind of the same reaction I have to puppies as a matter of fact.

Oh, definitely the warm hugs thing, but I still feel like I did something horrible (e.g., as if I kicked a puppy) when she's sad or scared, and I want to apologize and promise never to make her sad and scared.
Yes, I am very protective over Tilly.

 

[eschaton]

The Klingon scenes are more often than not the worst parts of each of the first four episodes. With all respect to the jobs the actors have been doing buried underneath that heavy makeup straight out of a California Raisins commercial from 1987 the dialogue is slow, ponderous and marblemouthed. They're trying, but the pacing of the scenes and the makeup just aren't helping.

Unless I'm misremembering, there was no Klingon dialog (other than the shush) in the third episode.

As I said, I think the biggest mistake is having all the dialogue in Klingon with subtitles. It means people are reading instead of watching, and a lot of visual detail (everything from props to facial expressions) are missed entirely.

 

[tomalak301]

Oh, definitely the warm hugs thing, but I still feel like I did something horrible (e.g., as if I kicked a puppy) when she's sad or scared, and I want to apologize and promise never to make her sad and scared.
Yes, I am very protective over Tilly.

Stay away from our Tilly.

 

[Amaris]

Stay away from our Tilly.

Actually, now that I think about it, Tilly is the sweetest, kindest, most human character on the show. I am now worried for her life.

 

[Sir Stewart Wallace]

I'd be much more keen on the whole show if the writers had made a more convincing case for Burnham's choices in the first two eps. They weren't moral dilemmas so much as plot-driven stupidity. I'm open to darker Trek, but not dimmer.

I wonder if people (not anyone in particular) want Discovery to be good and awesome so desperately that they're over-inflating what they see a bit. I feel like I did that to myself after the first episode. It's okay, but it's not DS9-at-the-end-of-"Call to Arms"-awesome yet.

 

[TheUsualSuspect]

Gave this one another 7. I feel like things still haven't really come together yet, but I'm still liking some things and willing to give it some time.

I continue to like Burnham. It was fun watching her try to figure out the tardigrade, and I liked her approach. I wish she'd start being a bit nicer to Tilly.

Saru and Stamets seem to be the most like the "Starfleet type" that we've seen in other series.

I don't like Lorca, and really want him to not be yet another "evil captain" who never should have been in Starfleet to begin with. As someone else pointed out, saving the colony but then taking off without checking up on them in any way is definitely not what I'd expect Starfleet to do.

Tilly was marginally less annoying this week, but I still don't care much for her.

I'm looking forward to seeing Rainn Wilson's Harry Mudd next week.

 

[tomalak301]

Actually, now that I think about it, Tilly is the sweetest, kindest, most human character on the show. I am now worried for her life.

I don’t want to worry about what will happen to her four episodes in.

 

[Sir Stewart Wallace]

Stay away from our Tilly.

I'm taking Tilly to the dance, so go ask someone else!

 

[eschaton]

Yeah. Even DS9, my personal favorite, doesn't have many 10/10's. Maybe not any. But can you compare something like DS9 and The Sopranos in the same category? Judging just by Star Trek standards, DS9 has a few 10s. Maybe. This show, none yet. But there are only four episodes oh my god I am now arguing with myself.

I'd rank Duet, The Visitor, Far Beyond The Stars, and In The Pale Moonlight as 10s

 

[Amaris]

I don’t want to worry about what will happen to her four episodes in.

Too late! We're all worried now!

I'm taking Tilly to the dance, so go ask someone else!

You get away from her, you monster!

 

[Sir Stewart Wallace]

I'm looking forward to seeing Rainn Wilson's Harry Mudd next week.

Mudd: Knock, please, this is an office.
Lorca: It says 'workplace'.
Mudd: Same thing.
Lorca: If it's the same thing, then why did you write 'workspace'?

 

[Mudd]

Shame you didn't finish it till the end becasue the payoff was very star trek.

I don't think she was being a dick to Tilly.

She was a dick from Tilly's first words. She's a bully.

 

[cooleddie74]

The most laughably bad thing about tonight's episode was the holographic mirror in Burnham's quarters.

Let me repeat that.

A holographic. Mirror.

If modern Star Trek has ever given us a piece of technology because it looked "kewl" and would make an audience member squee at TEH TECHNOLOGIEZ!!! it's the holographic mirror. Because, I guess, shatterproof glass or another polished and reflective material hanging on a wall would be too obsolete and uncool.



Take it down a notch, guys. Not everything in this universe has to make sounds, have flashing lights or appear out of nowhere.