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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

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I would say, that if you're not enjoying the series at this point, this should have broken the thin ice for you. There's more of the same on the way... so I'm not sure why anyone's would hang on at this point if you continue to be disgruntled.
Exactly. This bold new exciting Trek isn't going to be for everyone. I love it but I know others are having a hard time adjusting. That's entirely fine.

We don't know exactly where the story line is heading but I think you're correct that the style will continue to be what we've seen. It's not going to morph back into the old comfy Trek that some older fans long for.

To me it feels like we're onboard the ship and watching things develop over a tour of duty. I like that. We haven't had that before really.
 
I give up. I can't believe I can't change typos.
I had to expand the quotes to see what you wrote. You have some good points. I wish they'd just switch to speaking English and we can assume that our TV, devices, etc were update with a universal translator!
 
I enjoyed the episode for the most part. My three biggest issues where: Landry dying like a chump. The stupidly pointless tactic Lorca used in the battle. If what's her name was able to steal a ship to rescue Voq, why weren't they used it to get supplies and that one thing they needed?

Those aside the talky bits were good.
 
Lorca is the square peg and he is determined to hammer himself into the round hole that is his ship.

I was wondering this too, who the heck is Lorca's people?

Interesting where they will go with this soon.
The doctor might be. Plus I don't think we've seen the guy Anthony Rapp referred to as Stamets's "Space Boo". Maybe they are.
 
So the Discovery not only has a built-in fidget spinner saucer ("You've never heard of the Millennial Falcon? It's the ship that made the Chipotle Run in less then twelve Pinterests"), but it also spins around on its axis and drops bombs to take out multiple fighters like the Death Blossom from The Last Starfighter, is navigated by Aang's flying bison from Avatar: The Last Airbender, and is powered by quantum 'shrooms? Swell. And people thought the USS Prometheus splitting into three parts on Voyager was "too fanboyish." Two is fine, but three parts? Fuck that noise.

Cmdr. Landry AKA Tory the Cylon died like she lived. Stupidly and impatiently. Rekha Sharna deserved a better role. Oddly she's listed as being in all thirteen episodes of the first season on IMDb, so that's either a mistake, they list every episode where she's part of the credited cast, or the showrunners were trying to conceal the spoiler of her Darwin Award winning death after only two episodes. Seriously, she couldn't just shine a flashlight into the cell to make sure the water bear was unconscious instead of dropping the forcefield right away and getting Revanented?

It was nice of the mining colonists to all take perfectly timed turns dramatically crying and screaming into the subspace radio before dying so Captain Loco could make a manipulative point to his crew about where their duty lies.

So, Starfleet, whose reputation for "impeccable technical hygiene" (as per that terribly written line from the first pilot) was so precise and predictable that T'Kumbaya decided to set a trap by it, left behind a dilithium processor aboard the Shenzhou even though they've begun forcing prisoners to perform hard labor under deadly conditions to extract dilithium for the war effort? And they also left behind a derelict Klingon vessel full of intelligence about the 24 Klingon Houses and a prototype cloaking device and living Klingon crew who could be interrogated or traded for Starfleet POWs? In what was clearly defined as their own territory? And they left behind a whole ship instead of scuttling it or towing it for scrap? But they did lead a special expedition back to retrieve the captain's telescope so a traitorous mutineer could have a nice moment to reflect when she's feeling down? Huh?

And the Klingons are no better, pledging to go to war in T'Kuvermodel's name but leaving behind their sacred Lightbright flagship with the now vitally important (six months later) cloaking device, and leaving his people behind to starve to death. Doesn't seem very honorable, but then the Klingons never do. While this isn't the first time we've heard of the Klingons eating their enemies (Kor bragged about feasting on an adversary's heart), I thought it did a bit of a disservice to Captain Georgiou's character to have them describe in graphic detail peeling the skin from her skull and eating it. Seriously, WTF? Just makes that bullshit about how the transporter couldn't beam her up if she didn't have any lifesigns all the more ridiculous now that you see what happens to their dead if they're left behind.

In the long list of evil shit this Starfleet will do, we can now add mutilating and torturing clearly sapient and intelligent animals for weapons and propulsion research. Goodie. They really are no different than the Equinox crew, except the Equinox crew were in a far more desperate and isolated situation than even Starfleet is.

I know Tilly rubs some people the wrong way, but she's one of the few positives I can take away from the show so far and one of the rare likeable characters, despite annoying the people around her sometimes. I find her charming in her naivete and positive outlook. Likewise with Stamets, who's the opposite of Tilly behavior wise, but is ethical and steadfast in trying to make sure his life's work is not misused for foul deeds. Isaacs is excellent as Lorca, I just don't like the character very much. I'm still indifferent on Burnham, though her pursuit of understanding of the super-tardigrade instead of just trying to weaponize it did redeem her somewhat.

Back to more long stretches of mushmouthed Klingon dialogue slowly spat out of static face masks while I miss half of what's happening onscreen as I read the subtitles. Joy. Wait, was that just some subtle Klingon sex talk? "Uncouple"? Bomchickawowow.

I give this episode a "C+".
 
This episode gets a solid 8 from me. Don’t really get the haters other than the fact that every trek series since the original has had its fair share of haters. It not being your brand of Star Trek doesn’t mean it’s not Star Trek. Either watch it or don’t, no sense in complaining
 
This episode gets a solid 8 from me. Don’t really get the haters other than the fact that every trek series since the original has had its fair share of haters. It not being your brand of Star Trek doesn’t mean it’s not Star Trek. Either watch it or don’t, no sense in complaining

Haters in a nutshell

1.) where are all the social issues and why is orville doing them sooner
2.) What about the utopia?
3.) it's not TNG
 
The glaring plot holes always take me out of the story. Are we really supposed to believe that the Klingons let the only ship with a cloaking device adrift in space and its crew without food for 6 months?

Yeah I could fly a Dyson's Sphere through that hole, my only true gripe that I simply can't get over. I like the show but seriously GD.
 
We're discovering how long fans will root for a lead who murders for revenge at the cost of thousands and possibly millions of lives.
(I'm joking -- sorta)
You'll catch a cold in that blanket. Are we even watching the same show?

Love the battle simulation; if you think about it, Starfleet should be doing these sorts of things probably on a regular basis.
They probably do, but when we're not looking.

I enjoyed the episode for the most part. My three biggest issues where: Landry dying like a chump. The stupidly pointless tactic Lorca used in the battle. If what's her name was able to steal a ship to rescue Voq, why weren't they used it to get supplies and that one thing they needed?

Those aside the talky bits were good.
Issue A. I won't miss her.
Issue B. Not pointless. Clever. Neat. One fell swoop. Probably safest for the Discovery in spite of appearances.
Issue C. Probably because that shuttle is from Kol's ship.

I lament not having the time to catch up 28 pages. It would be somewhat shorter without the clutter of posts that have nothing to contribute.
 
It's funny to think that people are so caught up n their own viewpoints and biases that they can't conceive of the most simple and rational explanation for the high scores that are being generate:

Because lots of people happen to be enjoying the show more than you.

I know...I know...it's almost unfathomable...but give it some thought.

;)
Shocking I tell you! Please, no more common sense! People rating the show high because they're actually enjoying it? Inconceivable!
 
Another blah episode.

This show seems more interested in its tech than it is in characters. BORING.
 
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