Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x02 - "Battle at the Binary Stars"
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We're talking about Voq not T'Kuvma
I agree with all of that. Although, I do think her killing the guy does make her feel guilty. That and her nonsense on the bridge is why she pleaded guilty.
I assumed that scene was thematically, rather than literally, lit like that. I can't see any reason for a courtroom to actually be lit like that, I just thought we were meant to be inside the traumatised head of Michael as she was 'sent down'. I loved it, as long as I read it that way
*whispers* They are Section 31.
Doe he even have half a personality?
In TMP, Ilia was attempting to use "navigational deflectors" to deflect the asteroid in the wormhole. That failed because the wormhole overloaded the main power systems.
In "Mudd's Women," deflectors were used to protect Mudd's ship at range from asteroid collisions when he was trying to escape into an asteroid belt. That burned out the lithium crystals, but that was because Mudd was running away and not cooperating.
They tried to push the large asteroid with a deflector beam in "The Paradise Syndrome." That too failed and burned out circuits, but that was something huge enough to wipe out all life on the planet.
@cultcross got it right. They could have used the Trek tech in some reasonable way to assist in this situation. They could have even sent other people, like a couple of security guards, with the First Officer. But no, they had to have a Dramatic Moment and create Dramatic Tension when she was doubted at first that there were even Klingons.
Or Lorca is and has recruited people into whatever mission he's on, using his authority as a Starfleet captain. The crew are clueless and will find out as the season goes on.
In any case, it feels to me that these two first episodes are effectively the opening teaser to the DS9 series premiere "Emissary". This is Burnham's Wolf 359, which she tried and failed to do the right thing, and becoming a PTSD-addled survivor who has to surmount massive emotional trauma when sent on her next assignment. It was a big, flashy opener, laying out in graphic detail WHY Burnham is a hardened but vulnerable mess, but next week is when the show REALLY gets down to business, using her upbringing AND this incident in her role as the gateway character to the main story arc.
Mark
In any case, it feels to me that these two first episodes are effectively the opening teaser to the DS9 series premiere "Emissary". This is Burnham's Wolf 359, which she tried and failed to do the right thing, and becoming a PTSD-addled survivor who has to surmount massive emotional trauma when sent on her next assignment. It was a big, flashy opener, laying out in graphic detail WHY Burnham is a hardened but vulnerable mess, but next week is when the show REALLY gets down to business, using her upbringing AND this incident in her role as the gateway character to the main story arc.
Mark
I think Sarek's mind meld with Michael was more involved (and featured him actually copying his katra in her) than the norm. The same kind we saw in Star Trek II and Enterprise, but not every kind of mind meld.
If Sarek were to die, Michael could be used to retrieve and store his katra.
Seeing Michelle Yeoh credited as a special guest star should've clued you in as to her role on this show. It was like the short-lived action series UC: Undercover. Oded Fehr is the first name in the credits but is nowhere to be seen. Grant Show is the team leader but listed as a guest star. Guess what happens to Grant Show?
So how many of the lead actors credited in the opening were actually in the first two episodes? Two? Martin and Jones?
So how many of the lead actors credited in the opening were actually in the first two episodes? Two? Martin and Jones?
This one I voted an 8, whereas the other episode I gave a 9. I suppose an 8.5 average for the first two. I think the thing that was bugging me was that the Klingon monologues were already becoming slightly tiresome by this part. I'm not bothered by subtitles but make them slightly more interesting at least.
I liked the little look into Michael's past in this episode, as I did the mental link that Sarek had established with her. I was a little unsure about Sarek's presence in the show, but any misgivings were soon forgotten.
Georgiou was awesome and I'll miss seeing her. The way she went was a little brutal. I hope she'll play a role in flashbacks or something? The rest of the actors seem OK as well.
I like that two episodes into the series Star Trek: Discovery and we've yet to see the Discovery yet!
Already got to wait another week for another episode? Man life's hard.
I liked the little look into Michael's past in this episode, as I did the mental link that Sarek had established with her. I was a little unsure about Sarek's presence in the show, but any misgivings were soon forgotten.
Georgiou was awesome and I'll miss seeing her. The way she went was a little brutal. I hope she'll play a role in flashbacks or something? The rest of the actors seem OK as well.
I like that two episodes into the series Star Trek: Discovery and we've yet to see the Discovery yet!
Already got to wait another week for another episode? Man life's hard.
I wonder if Voq isn’t Shazad Latif. I’ve had this thought that due to the shifting of his role on the show, if Lieutenant Tyler, who is supposed to be a POW and develops a relationship with Burnham, isn’t actually a spy. The secrecy around Voq’s character would make sense.
So I've been thinking... (Because, you know, I certainly wasn't working.) I don't think Georgiou and T'Kuvma are dead dead.
I think they're setting up that Klingon ship as having some kind of "mystical" (for lack of a better term) power - like the caskets and ceremonial "transition" play more into a literal translation of Sto-vo-kor. Certainly the concept of some kind of non-corporeal ethereal realm isn't new to Star Trek.
And the show has already proven it's willing to dive into the metaphysical.
I thought the choice at the end to leave Georgiou body on the ship seem oddly specific and beyond any thematic purpose.
Plus there's there all the talk about "a new way to fly" and even what of the Klingon guys said something about traversing the galaxy. (And maybe there's a reason that group thought the Kuvah'magh was in Delta.) Which would parallel the bit about Sarek using his Katra over a great distance.
So what if it turns out the Klingons (and Georgiou) "spirits" are being displaced to the other side of the galaxy and are exiting as some kind of transphasic entity. similar to "Emanations."
I think they're setting up that Klingon ship as having some kind of "mystical" (for lack of a better term) power - like the caskets and ceremonial "transition" play more into a literal translation of Sto-vo-kor. Certainly the concept of some kind of non-corporeal ethereal realm isn't new to Star Trek.
And the show has already proven it's willing to dive into the metaphysical.
I thought the choice at the end to leave Georgiou body on the ship seem oddly specific and beyond any thematic purpose.
Plus there's there all the talk about "a new way to fly" and even what of the Klingon guys said something about traversing the galaxy. (And maybe there's a reason that group thought the Kuvah'magh was in Delta.) Which would parallel the bit about Sarek using his Katra over a great distance.
So what if it turns out the Klingons (and Georgiou) "spirits" are being displaced to the other side of the galaxy and are exiting as some kind of transphasic entity. similar to "Emanations."
I've changed my mind on the Klingons after rewatching the scene with T'Kuvma and the High Council members, but this time picturing it happening with TNG-Ent style Klingons on a bird of Prey. It actually did fit right in with the stuff we got in the other shows once you get past the surface differences. I really thought I would be able to look past the changes, but once it started it was just sooo different.
I forgot to post a few thoughts on where the show might be going after this. The preview got me wondering if they're using some sort of prisoner labor for the experiments on the Discovery. That could be how Burnham starts out on Discovery, and how they come across Mudd. It looked like he was being brought about the ship with Burnham, so I'm thinking he might another prisoner working on the experiment. Something could happen that earns Burnham the trust of Lorca and the Discovery crew, and he eventually convinces Starfleet Command to reinstate her as his XO.
I forgot to post a few thoughts on where the show might be going after this. The preview got me wondering if they're using some sort of prisoner labor for the experiments on the Discovery. That could be how Burnham starts out on Discovery, and how they come across Mudd. It looked like he was being brought about the ship with Burnham, so I'm thinking he might another prisoner working on the experiment. Something could happen that earns Burnham the trust of Lorca and the Discovery crew, and he eventually convinces Starfleet Command to reinstate her as his XO.
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