Exception, not the rule...and still has studio lighting.No, but it COULD be mistaken for a TNG episode:
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Yeah, really.
Phillips was going for a "Ming The Merciless" - ie, faux asian - look on Colicos. With no real warning about the script, he had only dark pancake and crepe hair to work with.
Again, no. I don't agree that the Klingons of TOS were "black face." There was no intended parody of race at play. Klingons were to be a mixture of feudal asian and eastern influences. When they brought back Campbell to do Koloth they didn't paint him black. Several of the other Klingons on the show were not darkened. It was not black face.
Not exactly my point, though. Just saying that the aesthetic for dark/moody bridge lighting isn't without precedent, although it's been achieved in a number of ways.
The idea being contested was "pretty close." I stand by my agreement.
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Well in fairness, look how much things changed fromTOS to Star Trek The Motion Picture. Which has less time separating it (what its supposed to be like 4 or 5 years after Turnabout Intruder), versus this which is supposed to be ten years before??? Where No Man Has Gone Before, Cage, or Corbomite Maneuver (not clear on that).Oh yeah, that sure looks like a "true prequel" to TOS set in the Prime universe - I mean, with those ships and sets and uniforms and that style and - oh yeah, those Klingons - whatever else could it be?
From space ship design, to set design, to costume design, to the design of planets, to the makeup design of existing alien races, prop design. Heck even the acting style and lensing changed dramatically.
Really the only part of Trek that didn't change and change in a dramatic visual manner was the actors, besides the fact that they had aged.
If we original viewers could except that that change represented the same universe, just a few short years later, then I don't see how any one can make a reasoned argument about any visual changes in this.
Those changes were minimal compared to this.
Just watched the trailer and my greatest fear is coming to fruition, it looks very NuTrek.
Darth Vader-esque, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Darth Vader-esque, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
That's not what "blackface" means, strictly speaking. And Serveaux is correct on this point: they were going for a certain quasi-ethnic look because they were trying to play on (at the time) modern cold-war imagery. Remember historical context for this: Star Trek was hitting the air waves right around the time Vietnam turned into a shooting war, at which point the Chinese and the Viet Cong were considered to be proxies for the Soviet Union.
They did for Kang and his wife, though.
I think Burnham is at least part Vulcan (or Romulan). Pictures:
What if Burnham is Sarek's daughter that he might have had with that princess that gave birth to Sybok or maybe Sybok had a child and he raised her when he was exhiled.
I think one thing that is going to come up with fans is why didn't Spock ever talk about her ever on the show or in the movies. Best theory is Spock didn't want Kirk trying to romance his sister.
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Seems like I'm in the minority here, but I hated that trailer. Scenes look blown out at times, too much lens flare, some of the acting looks bad, the uniforms look bad, the Klingons look terrible to me, I can go on, but man am I disappointed in it. It's really turned me off from this show.
They didn't seem so at the time. Still doesn't if you think about it: they changed LITERALLY EVERYTHING about the Enterprise, from how the bridge was laid out, the look of the chairs, the look of the consoles, the uniforms, the design of the ship, the shuttlecraft, the phasers, the photon torpedoes, the shape of the viewscreen, and so on. They even gave Scotty a mustache. And that's after just ten years of evolution of set design and real-world technology that inspired it. We're talking about 50+ years of development in set design, science fiction tropes, special effects, AND the technology that inspires all of them.
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I admit, I am only cautiously optimistic about this one, because the last time I let myself get really excited about a new Star Trek series, that series was called "Enterprise."
OTOH, I went to see ST09 on opening night and loved every second of it from start to finish. I went to see it four more times before I even bothered coming into TrekBBS to compare my experiences with other fans to ask "How awesome was that?! That was TOTALLY awesome!" and instead ran into a solid wall stacked five miles high of absolutely inane, nitpicky bullshit posted by people who absolutely refused to believe that there was anything in the movie that was even slightly likeable.
So while I gladly admit I am probably just getting a little bitter in my old age...
OTOH, I went to see ST09 on opening night and loved every second of it from start to finish. I went to see it four more times before I even bothered coming into TrekBBS to compare my experiences with other fans to ask "How awesome was that?! That was TOTALLY awesome!" and instead ran into a solid wall stacked five miles high of absolutely inane, nitpicky bullshit posted by people who absolutely refused to believe that there was anything in the movie that was even slightly likeable.
So while I gladly admit I am probably just getting a little bitter in my old age...
The visual look of the uniforms and ships on Discovery are very much based on the same aesthetic used for the USS Kelvin, which did originate in the "Prime Timeline", so it's VERY possible for Discovery to exist in the Prime Timeline... which it does.
Yeah, as a TOS fan - I felt the same way back in 1987 when TNG premiered - but hey, that era lasted what - 14 years and 21 TV seasons across 3 shows in the same era.
man, whole buncha acting coaches around here
Star Trek: Discovery, you say?
Star Trek: Discovery, you say?
So my reaction: I can see the prime timeline esthetics on this trailer, I mean if we put together the know pre-TOS evolution it makes perfect sens: USS Franklin -> USS Enterprise (NX 01_ -> USS Kelvin -> USS Shenzhou. So I'm absolutely fine with the looks as prime timeline looks.
As for the trailer: this shows probably the pilot, there is no Discovery around (as yet), but in my opinion the story will go like this:
- the series begins with some kind of a mission to that desert planet, maybe that is where they find information about the Klingon sarcophagus ship/some mistery.
- they go out to the edge of known space when they will find the Klingon ship.
- they revive those Klingons, and I see a chance that we will see TOS era Klingons too, not just those from the trailer
- ancient Klingons call out to modern Klingons (ship battle begins)
- Shenzhou gets destroyed, Commander Burnham survives, Discovery will rescue her
- A Klingon civil war will come into play, that is why we have multiple Klingon leaders in the casting calls, that is how we will have these Klingons and probably "classical" ones too, the old Klingons probably will not like how things have evolved in the Empire.
- The Discovery's mission will be to resolve the hell they have unleashed with the Shenzhou, Burnham will be assigned to the Discovery as she is a survivor of that event. So we will probably not see the Discovery on the pilot, maybe in the final moments, but I think we will have more probably a cliffhanger with the Shenzhou being destroyed and Cmdr Burnham left in space to witness the events and just left there
Also if they will acknowledge the TOS style Klingons in the show, these new/old Klingons might be the key for transforming back to the way Klingons were in Enterprise era/TNG era, because they were not affected by the virus and they DNA might bring on the restoration of Klingons in 15-20 years as prime timeline continuity
Overall I'm looking forward to this. The production value looks phenomenal and they can make this work in primeline continuity with a few explanations for die hard fans, but not to much to get distracted the new fans as it looks like many non Star Trek fans like the trailer.
As for the trailer: this shows probably the pilot, there is no Discovery around (as yet), but in my opinion the story will go like this:
- the series begins with some kind of a mission to that desert planet, maybe that is where they find information about the Klingon sarcophagus ship/some mistery.
- they go out to the edge of known space when they will find the Klingon ship.
- they revive those Klingons, and I see a chance that we will see TOS era Klingons too, not just those from the trailer
- ancient Klingons call out to modern Klingons (ship battle begins)
- Shenzhou gets destroyed, Commander Burnham survives, Discovery will rescue her
- A Klingon civil war will come into play, that is why we have multiple Klingon leaders in the casting calls, that is how we will have these Klingons and probably "classical" ones too, the old Klingons probably will not like how things have evolved in the Empire.
- The Discovery's mission will be to resolve the hell they have unleashed with the Shenzhou, Burnham will be assigned to the Discovery as she is a survivor of that event. So we will probably not see the Discovery on the pilot, maybe in the final moments, but I think we will have more probably a cliffhanger with the Shenzhou being destroyed and Cmdr Burnham left in space to witness the events and just left there
Also if they will acknowledge the TOS style Klingons in the show, these new/old Klingons might be the key for transforming back to the way Klingons were in Enterprise era/TNG era, because they were not affected by the virus and they DNA might bring on the restoration of Klingons in 15-20 years as prime timeline continuity
Overall I'm looking forward to this. The production value looks phenomenal and they can make this work in primeline continuity with a few explanations for die hard fans, but not to much to get distracted the new fans as it looks like many non Star Trek fans like the trailer.
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Discovery is a show conceived and built by committee, and it shows.
The biggest emotion I feel watching this trailer is "confusion".
I just can't get a feel for what it wants to be. You know, its mission-statement. It's neither fish nor foul. I see PC flight-sim joysticks and lens-flare and window viewscreens. This is stuff I feel they're doing to pander to the kiddies as Les Moonves says, and yet I know the underlying canon DNA is supposed to be prime. But knowing it's prime causes all this "friction" because all the other shows (and the TNG movies) tried to just accept all the prior shows' look and feel, even Enterprise when they had the fanservice Defiant two-parter. So there's no way to sort of mentally group this show with any of the others. Since I think that's what prime fans were hoping to see in a show set in prime, it disappoints them, and it disappoints those who wanted Kelvin timeline.
Politics may be the art of compromise but art should be about making bold statements on the basis that you can't please all the people all the time.
If the intention of the show is to sort of bring all factions of fandom together in a reimagining then CBS should have framed it that way in the first place.
I think the reason it didn't is that there was indeed a creative tug-of-war between the various cooks and I hope they didn't wind up spoiling the broth in the process.
It does look feature-film-like. I'll give it that much.
The biggest emotion I feel watching this trailer is "confusion".
I just can't get a feel for what it wants to be. You know, its mission-statement. It's neither fish nor foul. I see PC flight-sim joysticks and lens-flare and window viewscreens. This is stuff I feel they're doing to pander to the kiddies as Les Moonves says, and yet I know the underlying canon DNA is supposed to be prime. But knowing it's prime causes all this "friction" because all the other shows (and the TNG movies) tried to just accept all the prior shows' look and feel, even Enterprise when they had the fanservice Defiant two-parter. So there's no way to sort of mentally group this show with any of the others. Since I think that's what prime fans were hoping to see in a show set in prime, it disappoints them, and it disappoints those who wanted Kelvin timeline.
Politics may be the art of compromise but art should be about making bold statements on the basis that you can't please all the people all the time.
If the intention of the show is to sort of bring all factions of fandom together in a reimagining then CBS should have framed it that way in the first place.
I think the reason it didn't is that there was indeed a creative tug-of-war between the various cooks and I hope they didn't wind up spoiling the broth in the process.
It does look feature-film-like. I'll give it that much.
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