Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!

[Turd Ferguson]

While his mistreatment at the ASZ is a matter of fact (most often initiated by Rosita), that would not be enough for Eugene to join the man who forced him to witness the murder of his friends. That would make Eugene utterly devoid of any moral fiber--a walking parasite. I don't think Eugene falls into the parasite category, so he's trying to play Negan for as long as possible.

Would Eugene consider anybody in Alexandria friends, though? Although it was shitty for Eugene to lie about needing to get to Washington because he had the cure for the zombie virus, I can see why he did it because he's unable to survive on his own. Nobody in the group ever looked at Eugene the same way again and treat him like garbage for the remainder of the time at ASZ. In fact, he's not even given any meaningful tasks to do. The only thing he does is wander around on the verge of tears all the time while everybody (namely Rosita) berates him.

While the Saviors (namely Negan) show appreciation for Eugene's solution to the rotting zombie fence problem and reward him accordingly. Instead of feeling like an outsider, Eugene finally feels like he has a place (and a good place at that, being higher in the food chain than one of Negan's other grunts).

 

[Beagleman]

I think this is an interesting arc, people always say "Why on earth would anyone follow this psychopath and not run for the hills the first chance they get?". Until now we've only seen the stick (hehe) now we start seeing the carrot. And for otherwise marginalized people like Eugene that carrot might look really appealing. (Might, I've no idea about his ultimate intentions.)

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I think this is an interesting arc, people always say "Why on earth would anyone follow this psychopath and not run for the hills the first chance they get?". Until now we've only seen the stick (hehe) now we start seeing the carrot. And for otherwise marginalized people like Eugene that carrot might look really appealing. (Might, I've no idea about his ultimate intentions.)

Exactly. Going from eating canned goods to fresh food and playing Yar's Revenge for hours on end? Definitely a step up from Eugene's perspective!

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Would Eugene consider anybody in Alexandria friends, though? Although it was shitty for Eugene to lie about needing to get to Washington because he had the cure for the zombie virus, I can see why he did it because he's unable to survive on his own. Nobody in the group ever looked at Eugene the same way again and treat him like garbage for the remainder of the time at ASZ.

Time and again, his value is put on display when Deanna needed him to find the parts to repair the solar power system, and knew what they could do with sorghum to grow their own food. Knowledge of that kind makes him more valuable than most of the ASZ layabouts. He's a BS artist when he claims to be part of the Human Genome Project, but his value should not be disrespected at the ASZ.

In fact, he's not even given any meaningful tasks to do. The only thing he does is wander around on the verge of tears all the time while everybody (namely Rosita) berates him.

...and that has to turn the corner. Aside from the Wolves' attack, Eugene has fought almost as much as Rosita--from the "No Way Out" walker battle, to giving his companions a chance at the train tracks by biting Dwight's genitals, to his brave solo RV drive to lure the Saviors away from the others. He's more than proved his worth, but Rosita doe not necessarily add anything that any number of survivors cannot. At this point, she lives to torment Eugene, Father Gabriel and Morgan.

While the Saviors (namely Negan) show appreciation for Eugene's solution to the rotting zombie fence problem and reward him accordingly. Instead of feeling like an outsider, Eugene finally feels like he has a place (and a good place at that, being higher in the food chain than one of Negan's other grunts).

Reward does not erase the reality of what happened to Abraham & Glenn. Eugene seems to be playing Negan, since he lacks the skill to fight his way out...for now.

 

[Push The Button]

Rick is going to need some inside information about the scope of Negan's operation: numbers, locations, routines, schedules, chain-of-command, etc. Maybe he gets that from a turned Dwight, maybe from a guilty-feeling Eugene, or maybe from both. Otherwise he risks repeating his initial mistake of attacking the outpost blind and thinking that he destroyed all of the Saviors.

 

[kitik]

Did you folks watch the same episode I did? Negan says to Dwight, clear as day "good thing we got a spare Dr Carson". They're clearly not expecting Eugene to do any doctoring, and they're clearly not expecting to go without the services of a doctor.

 

[publiusr]

I'm not so sure. Had I been one of Negans henchmen--I might have shot him right there with no warning for having any doctor killed.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Did you folks watch the same episode I did? Negan says to Dwight, clear as day "good thing we got a spare Dr Carson". They're clearly not expecting Eugene to do any doctoring, and they're clearly not expecting to go without the services of a doctor.

If Negan meant the Hilltop doctor, then that might explain the rumors of Negan soon making a personal trip to the location.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

"Say Yes"--

Thankfully, the happy romping around between Rick and Michonne was brought back to earth with the idea of one losing the other. The expression on Michonne's face--dropping her sword was effective. She was instantly lost in that moment.

Sweet moment when Rick recalls Glenn saving his life at the beginning (aside from Morgan).

Rosita--once again--blaming Father Gabriel for her problems--particularly the case with Spencer--who was stabbed before Rosita decided to shoot Negan. Further, how did she think Olivia--or anyone else--would be alive if she killed Negan? The other Saviors would execute everyone on the spot. She's not too bright, and now she's enlisted Sasha on the "one way" mission that--by its title--cannot end in any way other than her death.

Unfortunately, press releases announcing Sonequa Martin-Green's new job weeks in advance of TWD's season finale pretty much let the world know what is going to happen. I would be very surprised if Rosita was the one who met her end.

Wow...Judith grew so much since last season (on a few weeks in-series).

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Boring episode but surely that out-BS's the dumpster business?

 

[Trekker4747]

Boring episode but surely that out-BS's the dumpster business?

Eh, no. The "dumpster business" was totally shown, shot, and scored to make us thing Glenn had gotten it, this didn't even pretend to go with the notion that Rick was dead because we all knew the notion of it was absurd and knew the deer was there.

Rosita--once again--blaming Father Gabriel for her problems--particularly the case with Spencer--who was stabbed before Rosita decided to shoot Negan. Further, how did she think Olivia--or anyone else--would be alive if she killed Negan? The other Saviors would execute everyone on the spot. She's not too bright, and now she's enlisted Sasha on the "one way" mission that--by its title--cannot end in any way other than her death.

I thought the same thing about Spencer but then I thought Rosita meant she would have killed Negan at some earlier point rather than allowing Gabriel to have talked her out of taking any action.

And The Saviors killing everyone else on the spot is also stretching things when, for all we know, when Negan is dead they'll all celebrate like the flying monkeys did at the death of the Wicked Witch of the West in The Wizard of Oz.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Eh, no. The "dumpster business" was totally shown, shot, and scored to make us thing Glenn had gotten it, this didn't even pretend to go with the notion that Rick was dead because we all knew the notion of it was absurd and knew the deer was there.

Still, Michonne's reaction (thinking Rick was devoured) was effective.

And The Saviors killing everyone else on the spot is also stretching things when, for all we know, when Negan is dead they'll all celebrate like the flying monkeys did at the death of the Wicked Witch of the West in The Wizard of Oz.

The difference is that Negan's top henchmen (the people getting most of the screentime, like the guy who beat Aaron / made sexual overtures toward Enid) are violent, abusive assholes who seem to relish the Negan approach to life, so they would take their revenge on anyone hurting or killing him. As we witnessed when Rosita shot Lucille, the instant the bat was hit, his people aimed guns at every Alexandria resident in sight. Aside from the possibility of Laura turning against Negan, the rest seem neck-deep in...Negan-ism. I see no reason why they would not execute (or enslave as seen at Negan's walker "yard") and simply take over the ASZ, forever eliminating a proven threat.

 

[Evil Twin]

"Boy, Rick, isn't it great being the untouchable main characters?"

"Sure is, Michonne!" *laughs and makes out some more*

Rick talking about death in the van brought to mind Rick talking about death with Korl when they were sitting together in the barn way back in season 2.

Holy shit was that an embarrassingly bad CGI deer at the end there. I mean Jeeeesus, show, between that and horrible green screen Rick at the junkyard, please hire some new VFX guys.

 

[Aragorn]

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[TREK_GOD_1]

"Bury Me Here"--

AKA "How Hotheaded, Not-So-Much-of-a-Master-Planner-Member Always Pushes Their Group Into Death Struggles." First Richard, now Rosita and Sasha. It seems no group leader of the ZA ever has such a well managed system that even in the face of adversity, the numbers will maintain a cool head. In this case, it was all Richard.

If there's one problem with this series, its the telegraphing victims--for weeks, Benjamin being the hopeful, young sidekick and his recent little brother bonding had T-Dog, Beth's boyfriend (Zac from S4/E1) and Bob written all over it. Yeah, nevermind the fact starting a war with people who are well suited to killing on the spot will mean (as Morgan and Father Gabriel said) more innocents will die.

Powerful mini-breakdown for Morgan with appropriate flashbacks to Dwayne and his wife, but the physical separation of his teaching from Eastman--in the form of sharpening his staff--seems like a set up for Morgan to go bye-bye. Not in the rash, hotheaded Rosita and Daryl manner, but in some calculated way where he makes some stand for the heroes, but it brings a relief (through death) that Richard's actions took from him.

Everyone expects Carol to "go Rambo," but even after she was hit with the news of Negan's victims, she still had the presence of mind to know Morgan needs to isolate himself to get his head together...although his hearing noises in the house suggests the "Clear" days are creeping back. Will Carol confront Daryl about his lie? Even if he was responding to her "nothing left" reply?

As far as Morgan and the ASZ is concerned, I would not be surprised if Rosita (after--possibly--getting Sasha killed), sarcastically barks at Morgan for wanting to fight after his personal loss.

Overall, one of the best episodes of the past two seasons--tense and so captivating that the hour-plus passed by before one was aware of it.

 

[sojourner]

Will Carol confront Daryl about his lie?

No, I think Carol perfectly understands why Daryl lied to her.

 

[kitik]

Great episode. Richard won, he got exactly what he wanted. In fact, probably far more than he expected. The Kingdom is ready to fight, including Ezekiel. Morgan is ready to kill. And even Carol is ready to go to war.

Now will we ever see Nabila again? I'll need a weevil update in a few weeks.

And yeah, when Morgan jumped Richard, I was shocked. That was brutal.

 

[Trekker4747]

Yeah, that was very Season 3, "Clear" Morgan. I liked Richard's character, even the motivations he had even if I didn't entirely agree with how he wanted to shove The Kingdom into agro.

I did really like Nabila, "Okay, I just peed myself."

Now Carol knows the truth and is ready to fight and, finally, so is Ezekiel. He's seen how unreasonable The Saviors can be. He had a good "working relationship", or as close to one as you can have, with The Saviors and they seemed to appreciate that; but one drop and they're late on arrival (due to roadblock) and short one damn cantaloupe and it's slaughtering time!

The leader of this outpost didn't seem to "want to do it" but acted as if "had to do it," to his "credit" he was upset it was the kid. Which, knew the kid would have to be the one to die to push Ezekiel into action.

Tense episode with the montage of Morgan breaking down and his killing of Richard was just brutal, again, very Season 3's "Clear" Morgan.

One damn cantaloupe.

That's what's interesting when it comes to The Saviors and what they ask for as offerings. A dozen cantaloupes seems like a pretty damn small offering, as does the few baskets of produce in the previous drop and the few slaughtered pigs before that. Sure a lot of work and effort goes into the growing of that produce and the feeding and slaughtering of the animals but, again, it seems small compared to how we've seen Alexandria and The Hilltop getting treated where they seem to take truck loads of stuff. (Though in Alexandria's case it was the initial 50% offering, and later them working out of the "debt" they're in for all of Negan's men they've killed.)

But 12 damn cantaloupes for an offering? That's not out of necessity, need, survival, or anything of the sort. That's just being damn petty. It's tugging on the leash, nothing more. And then to execute someone and take action over one missing cantaloupe after such good interactions in the past? All about power.

 

[Evil Twin]

Ah well, I certainly won't miss Budget Ray Stevenson. Guy was asking for it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Now will we ever see Nabila again?

Probably as the next sacrificial lamb.