Well, that wasn't my intention, but subjectively, yes, I suppose so. It's not good enough for ME.
Objectively, no, of course not.
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Objectively, no, of course not.
There were two dead crewmen in that scene, both presumably killed by Krall after he boarded Franklin following the crash. It's why he appears more human in the fight with Kirk, and also the source of his modern Starfleet uniform (the second corpse was naked).
I thought it was a pretty clear scene. Krall impacted into the Franklin with his boarding craft, boarded, then sucked out the life of some crewmen & stole a uniform - sucking the life of the crewmen makes him look more human.
Did we actually see Krall's ship lodge into the Franklin?
Anyway, my point wasn't so much how the crewman died as how he happened to be on board in the first place. The issue of what happened to the Enterprise crew after being rescued.
Yes, Krall crashes into the bottom of the Franklin, then the Franklin falls over on top of it, pinning it. This was their plan to stop him, but he didn't die from the impact due to his amazing airbag technology. Since his ship was pinned underwater, Krall was forced to flee the crash on foot.
Right there. That's it right there.
I liked him a lot, too.
And there was something about his look that gave me a certain vibe, and upon consideration, I think it reminded me of Barry Morse.
The Enterprise crew was supposed to be aboard Franklin.
There are actually crewmen manning the consoles on either side of the helm, but you can only see them in wide shots, since they don't actually speak it's easy to miss them. You also see a couple of others when they're searching for Krall. They probably should have had a bunch of engineers, not just Keenser and Jaylah, helping Scotty in Franklin's engineering, so the illusion the crew is aboard is lost a bit there.
I bet it's from Space 1999.I liked him a lot, too.
And there was something about his look that gave me a certain vibe, and upon consideration, I think it reminded me of Barry Morse.
Now I thought Manus was his superior.
Now something I noted in the movie.
Disn't the head of the station say there was another ship besides Enterprise that had a good sensor package. Could that have been the ship that became the Dash-A?
Instead of Yorktown becoming Enterprise--it was the location for the rebuild. Funny that.
She says the only other ship that could navigate the nebula was still under construction.
Literally the new Constitution class being built at Yorktown, yes. Which means Starfleet waits and builds each new primary starship with significant upgrades, rather than produce a batch of them.
Totally agree. I think Abrams Trek just gets the harsher treatment, and exaggeration of its flaws.
Just watched it for the second time, and happily stand by my original grade of A.
While I find the action scenes a bit too frenetic, the motorbike scene doesn't work for me and I wish Krall had been explored more, I think it holds up really well overall.
It nails the theme of unity well. Trek films have had a habit of relegating most of the main crew to the background or, worse yet, dumbing them down for the sake of gags (see The Undiscovered Country - which is my favourite Trek film, but that's its big flaw).
Here, all the main crew have their part to play, and they couldn't do it without each other. It emphasises both the strength in unity concept and the vital relationship they have with each other.
There is also quite a bit of TUC in Krall's motivations, the notion of the difficulty in transitioning from war to peace, of breaking bread with former enemies, of the Federation growing soft and complacent without conflict.
Beyond the themes, I loved the interactions between the characters, the development of Kirk (who I disliked in the last two films), found Jayla an interesting addition to the dynamic and felt the balance between action and characterisation was the best of the new films (and, for that matter, better than quite a few of the first 10).
Oh, and I never thought I'd say this...I actually love the Sabotage moment. Have never liked and will never like that music, and I still don't know why all the ships blow up, but that moment is great. I'd take that over a generic technobabble solution any day.
Decent turnout, incidentally, albeit the only screening of the day. The tracking device conversation got the biggest laugh again.
While I find the action scenes a bit too frenetic, the motorbike scene doesn't work for me and I wish Krall had been explored more, I think it holds up really well overall.
It nails the theme of unity well. Trek films have had a habit of relegating most of the main crew to the background or, worse yet, dumbing them down for the sake of gags (see The Undiscovered Country - which is my favourite Trek film, but that's its big flaw).
Here, all the main crew have their part to play, and they couldn't do it without each other. It emphasises both the strength in unity concept and the vital relationship they have with each other.
There is also quite a bit of TUC in Krall's motivations, the notion of the difficulty in transitioning from war to peace, of breaking bread with former enemies, of the Federation growing soft and complacent without conflict.
Beyond the themes, I loved the interactions between the characters, the development of Kirk (who I disliked in the last two films), found Jayla an interesting addition to the dynamic and felt the balance between action and characterisation was the best of the new films (and, for that matter, better than quite a few of the first 10).
Oh, and I never thought I'd say this...I actually love the Sabotage moment. Have never liked and will never like that music, and I still don't know why all the ships blow up, but that moment is great. I'd take that over a generic technobabble solution any day.
Decent turnout, incidentally, albeit the only screening of the day. The tracking device conversation got the biggest laugh again.
The ships blow up because the radio waves interrupt their computer-controlled ultra-close, ultra-synchronised movements and they crash into each other and explode.
Totally agree. I think Abrams Trek just gets the harsher treatment, and exaggeration of its flaws.
I really think at this point that there's a segment of fans that can not be pleased with anything at all, and they should just be left to go screw.
Get a new Trek movie? Hate it. Bring back the old timeline
Get a new Trek movie that has tons of call-outs to TOS and ENT? Hate the new timeline.
Get a new series in the original timeline? Hate it, won't watch it. I don't like the ship. It's different.
I knew people would be hating the new show before knowing much at all about it, and I am certain that when the movies flip again and re-reboot or un-boot and change the premise again, people will still be picking them apart, to death. They will be wishing to have JJ back, guaranteed.
Yes, I took it as the "A" we saw being constructed at the end of the movie. I know we will all get a closer look at the "A" when the BLU-RAY comes out, but I think there are some pretty significant changes. For one, I believe the nacelles are spaced further apart and those "ample nacelles" don't appear to be as ample. I could be wrong though.
Totally agree. I think Abrams Trek just gets the harsher treatment, and exaggeration of its flaws.
True. These films were in a tough spot WRT trek fans, especially TOS fans. There is no way that you really can compare the two sets of movies. One is after the mission and 79 episodes and one is not. So the "love" fostered by the TOS 6 movies can't really be fostered in the new ones. I personally have, except for the final third of ID loved the new films. The opening in 09 could possibly be the best opening in any SCI-FI film, ever. STB was a perfect 50 year celebration. I've seen it 3 times now and love it more each time I see it. I don't want to "hate" any new trek.
The very core of this movie. I personally think we've never seen Star Trek movie that has so aptly integrated all the ensemble in the story. The only one that really comes close is 'The Voyage Home'.
Me too. I was dreading it in my first viewing, but I found myself smiling and really enjoying it. I don't know how else to say it, but it just worked.
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