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Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion
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Try sitting at the back of the theater and watching it in 2D maybe? Also repeat viewing often makes stuff easier to follow, too. I didn't have an issue when I saw it the first time but I was still more relaxed the second time last night.
I want you to love this movie!
And absolutely agreed on Jaylah.
ETA: Sorry, didn't notice I was ninja'd on the 2D advice.
You know I was thinking of the USS Enterprise-A and I'm hoping it has the longevity that the Prime Enterprise had (40 years of service).
My thoughts:
P.S. Noted trekkist Harry Doddema had his name at the end of Beyond
https://treknographics101.prophpbb.com/topic278.html
It also explain's Krall's motives. His negativity was only enhanced by the Drone species. It left him confused.
Also--the more he kills--the more he becomes himself. I might have him nearer human--start to turn over the device--then go crazy again.
I think Manas (Manos
)may be the leader--impressed with Edison/krall's tenacity.
It looks like the Drones don't even have beam weapons--but are good spies.
The bio-weapon does to flesh what the "bees" do to ships--the grey ooze utility fog gone wrong--shades of the reboot of Day The Earth Stood Still.
The closest I had seen the TOS ship--was the TAS episode The Magicks of Megas-tu where the Enterprise is split in half
The last time I saw anything so grand as Yorktown (starbase) was the art of David Egge:
http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/93191569416/david-egge.
He did the interior of a far more vast Dyson Megasphere
Misc.
http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/tagged/photo+set
http://www.stackprinter.com/export?...ge&question=328&printer=false&linktohome=true
Seeing the Enterprise torn apart would have really made me mad when younger
The general rule of thumb is that the nuTrek movies keep pace with the original series-movies...but in a stepped up self contained way.
Thus we saw the Enterprise not just destroyed--but butchered. But we saw a new ship by the end and didn't have to wait for the next film
But with with the pre-swarm view of Krall's ships--that made me think of V'Ger. We see the swarm form an ocean wave towards the end. I'd put these fighters up against anything in Star Wars. It was like the Feds were fighting the Vong.
Seeing Kirk and McCoy drinking was rather like the scene in ST II TWOK
This film also reminded me of the fun factor ST IV The Voyage Home--and that film, more than any other, seems to have inspired nuTrek across the board.
When I watched original Trek, it made me more mature. There was a somber tone in the first movies.
But after I left this film--to steal a quote--I felt young.
http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/93191569416/david-egge.
He did the interior of a far more vast Dyson Megasphere
Misc.
http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/tagged/photo+set
http://www.stackprinter.com/export?...ge&question=328&printer=false&linktohome=true
Seeing the Enterprise torn apart would have really made me mad when younger
The general rule of thumb is that the nuTrek movies keep pace with the original series-movies...but in a stepped up self contained way.
Thus we saw the Enterprise not just destroyed--but butchered. But we saw a new ship by the end and didn't have to wait for the next film
But with with the pre-swarm view of Krall's ships--that made me think of V'Ger. We see the swarm form an ocean wave towards the end. I'd put these fighters up against anything in Star Wars. It was like the Feds were fighting the Vong.
Seeing Kirk and McCoy drinking was rather like the scene in ST II TWOK
This film also reminded me of the fun factor ST IV The Voyage Home--and that film, more than any other, seems to have inspired nuTrek across the board.
When I watched original Trek, it made me more mature. There was a somber tone in the first movies.
But after I left this film--to steal a quote--I felt young.
P.S. Noted trekkist Harry Doddema had his name at the end of Beyond
https://treknographics101.prophpbb.com/topic278.html
It also explain's Krall's motives. His negativity was only enhanced by the Drone species. It left him confused.
Also--the more he kills--the more he becomes himself. I might have him nearer human--start to turn over the device--then go crazy again.
I think Manas (Manos
)may be the leader--impressed with Edison/krall's tenacity.It looks like the Drones don't even have beam weapons--but are good spies.
The bio-weapon does to flesh what the "bees" do to ships--the grey ooze utility fog gone wrong--shades of the reboot of Day The Earth Stood Still.
The closest I had seen the TOS ship--was the TAS episode The Magicks of Megas-tu where the Enterprise is split in half
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I saw it in 2D and I agree that the action is disorienting. Its quick cuts combined with dark lighting that make it hard to see in some of the action scenes. And the style of this one is constantly swirling camera with a lot of tilted angles. Other scenes look really good but on the whole I think the other two movies were better in that regard.
I thought it was at times very touching: Spock and McCoy, the tributes to Leonard.
And at times very formulaic: Evil bad guy out for revenge against the Federation because blah, blah.
And even a little asinine: Victory through the power of Rock!!
But in the end, the whole added up to a very solid and entertaining Treksperience.
And at times very formulaic: Evil bad guy out for revenge against the Federation because blah, blah.
And even a little asinine: Victory through the power of Rock!!
But in the end, the whole added up to a very solid and entertaining Treksperience.
Saw it yesterday, loved it. Easily the best of the 3.
The character moments really make it, though I still find Quinto's Spock not entirely convincing. Pine was brilliant, both in terms of acting but also the writing made Kirk much less of a dufuss, compared to 09 and ID.
I loved the various themes running through the film. Of being lost in the vastness of space and without direction or purpose, but finding purpose a new. Of finding strength in adversity, but also using that newly won strength to forge a strength in unity... or in Krall's case not being able to move beyond (no pun intended) adversity.
The music was superb, good combinations of the NuTrek theme, nods to TOS, and classical themes (real classical and 23rd Century classical!).
Krall's backstory worked for me, but it might have been better to bring it into the movie earlier. And I was convinced he was going to save Yorktown in the end, I think that might have made it a touch less of a stereotypical ending.
My only real niggles with the movie are all due to it being a product of 2016 movie production. The pacing was a bit off - at times rushed and at other times a big baggy. And I agree with the comments above about the action being a bit too much, sometimes couldn't tell what was going on.
One bit I didn't understand was why they were trying to separate the saucer, since there wasn't much left of the rest of the E!
The Yorktown was amazing, a beautiful concept and well executed on screen. Looked absolutley epic.
Overall a great film with a heart and with meaningful themes to explore. Can't wait to see it again.
The character moments really make it, though I still find Quinto's Spock not entirely convincing. Pine was brilliant, both in terms of acting but also the writing made Kirk much less of a dufuss, compared to 09 and ID.
I loved the various themes running through the film. Of being lost in the vastness of space and without direction or purpose, but finding purpose a new. Of finding strength in adversity, but also using that newly won strength to forge a strength in unity... or in Krall's case not being able to move beyond (no pun intended) adversity.
The music was superb, good combinations of the NuTrek theme, nods to TOS, and classical themes (real classical and 23rd Century classical!).
Krall's backstory worked for me, but it might have been better to bring it into the movie earlier. And I was convinced he was going to save Yorktown in the end, I think that might have made it a touch less of a stereotypical ending.
My only real niggles with the movie are all due to it being a product of 2016 movie production. The pacing was a bit off - at times rushed and at other times a big baggy. And I agree with the comments above about the action being a bit too much, sometimes couldn't tell what was going on.
One bit I didn't understand was why they were trying to separate the saucer, since there wasn't much left of the rest of the E!
The Yorktown was amazing, a beautiful concept and well executed on screen. Looked absolutley epic.
Overall a great film with a heart and with meaningful themes to explore. Can't wait to see it again.
Can't beat IMAX 3D for presentation.Just got back from seeing it in Glorious IMAX 3D.
"A"
When more people have seen the movie I'll put up a more detailed "review". It's hard to really summarize it without going into more detail on motivations.
RAMA
I didn't have a problem with it. I don't think it was as bad as a transformers movie or even one of the bourne outings for that matter. I thought the action scenes were brilliant. The entire enterprise attack, crash, and saucer flip were absolutely jaw dropping and are among the very best sequences I've ever seen in a film.
Kirk & Sulu talked about that.
I believe the explanation was that the impulse engines were still trying to draw power from the damaged warp core and couldn't function autonomously unless they separated the saucer. After separation they could move again, to try and help the pods escape.
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This. The impulse engines were still connected to the warp drive, and couldn't engage under their own power as the ship's primary power systems were still connected, which is clearly a flaw in the Constitution design that was likely addressed in the E-A, so they had to disconnect the primary source in order to engage the secondary source of power, which would enable the impulse engines to function on their own.
Oh yeah I do remember that now, thanks.
We're seeing it tomorrow afternoon at AMC in 2D, on a gift card with senior discount. Total cost = $0.
Getting old sucks, but the discounts rock.
Getting old sucks, but the discounts rock.
Anyone else disappointed that Chris Doohan's transporter officer character didn't appear?
I voted A. It's definitely the best nuTrek film and the greatest Trek movie since First Contact.
Although it was late in the movie, the main villain Krall had some character development. There were lots of secondary characters in the background that could've been explored, but at least the main focus was on Jaylah as a strong-willed survivor who was instrumental in helping the crew.
I had trouble understanding some of dialogue, but if I have time, I'll watch the movie again.
Although it was late in the movie, the main villain Krall had some character development. There were lots of secondary characters in the background that could've been explored, but at least the main focus was on Jaylah as a strong-willed survivor who was instrumental in helping the crew.
I had trouble understanding some of dialogue, but if I have time, I'll watch the movie again.
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