Didn't Edison say on his last log that "of the crew only three remain"? I might be remembering wrong but if it was indeed three maybe they are both part of the original crew.
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Didn't Edison say on his last log that "of the crew only three remain"? I might be remembering wrong but if it was indeed three maybe they are both part of the original crew.
That's what (some) white men, who are overrepresented in almost everything, like to tell everybody else. It's also hilariously wrong. Well, it would be hilarious if it weren't so nasty. Some white men are super-anxious and angry when they're faced with losing some of their privilege.
I'll stop worrying about fair representation and equality as soon as we're even remotely close to achieving it. We're not even close.
That's what I thought, too. But wasn't it Krall and three others?
ETA: Hm, i suppose "of the crew only three remain" could include Krall himself.
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I suspect that they were all part of the Franklin crew ... maybe their different appearance is due to different alien DNA they absorbed?
In my opinion this is the best of the reboot so far. There's still room for improvement but over it was an A.
They need to ease back on previous series and film references. The Sulu thing was simple and not in your face. They still have a rank promotion problem. Still a little to fast to jump from character moments to action sequences, but so are all big budget films. I hope Hollywood finds a better middle ground for that.
When Spock opens his package at the end I was very pleased with the nod.
They need to ease back on previous series and film references. The Sulu thing was simple and not in your face. They still have a rank promotion problem. Still a little to fast to jump from character moments to action sequences, but so are all big budget films. I hope Hollywood finds a better middle ground for that.
When Spock opens his package at the end I was very pleased with the nod.
You called someone "sexist" and expressed irritation at them for appreciating diverse casting in a movie. That's a deliberate perversion of what "sexist" means and an attempt to shut someone up for mentioning something IN PASSING that in fact matters a great deal to many of us. Don't do that. It isn't okay.
Oh, so #AllLivesMatter, huh? You don't say.
Paying attention is what improves things (or rather is the first step toward that goal). If you have the luxury of not caring whether these things improve, then your best option is to sit down and shut up when the people who don't have that luxury, or who for whatever reason do care despite having it, are talking.
DO NOT PLAY THESE STUPID GAMES PLEASE. IT IS TRANSPARENTLY OBVIOUS DERAILMENT. JUST STOP.
We are ALL human beings, but you don't have to go far to see racism, stereotypes, bigotry, sexism, and homophobia in society, at large. This is not over. We are not all equal, and to deny that it's an issue, is to deny there is power in movies and any history of abuse. You say "well, someone is always complaining," I hear, "well, as long as I have power, I don't care what your little group went through to get to this point." Please, learn the history. Empathize with the struggle. Do a Google search about fanboys and sexism. This is relevant today, that someone will be playing a Star Trek video game, and choose Jayla as a character, and be inspired, boys and girls, by that character. There is relevance in how this particular genre, including '09 and Into Darkness, treat women. Star Trek has a bad track record here, and they finally got it right. I don't mean to pick on you, specifically, but this has struck a nerve about political arguments I have everyday.
I hereby appologize for being a white male ... and I'd like to end that argument here and now. Makes no sense arguing with a fanatic.
I did no such thing. I just find it irretating that some people put gender above eveything else whe it comes to a movie character.
It's sexist by definition, and you don't tell me what to do! Who do you think you are?
That's what I thought, too. And as the years passed, they probably more and more came over to Edison's way of thinking. Edison was also the one who discovered how they could survive, which once that ball started rolling down the hill, bound them together and there was no turning back.
Just got back from seeing the movie. I thought it was better than expected. Definitely much better than the last one. I hope Jaylah becomes part of the crew for the next one, maybe taking Chekov's place? I know she's going to the academy but there's no reason the next movie couldn't take place after she graduates. I gave the movie an "A" and look forward to the next one!
Projection and denial. The person you were replying to did no such thing. Sure you know who the "fanatic" is?
Discrimination against people by sex and gender is sexism. Redressing and/or being aware of sexism in not "sexism by definition," that is an outright lie.
As for who I am to tell you not to be act like an ignorant jerk, I'm just one more voice out here in the aether with all the other voices. Just one who's hoping to get you to realize that you are in fact acting like an ignorant jerk. So that maybe you can do better.
That almost made me spit out my espresso. Supporting equality and recognizing systemic inequality is now fanaticism?
Sweet. Yeah, better to stop discussing that right now I guess. I think I've said it before but: A franchise that let Wesley fly the Federation's flagship will easily find a way to let Jaylah on board.
I really hope that's the plan. She seems to be a fan favorite so far.
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Along those same lines, from the Yorktown came the Enterprise-A.
Just saw it this morning. It hit all the right spots. Great cast interaction, good story, nice shout outs to everything that has gone before.
There were only about twenty people in the theater this morning but we did go at a weird time (husband hates crowds) and we were in a huge stadium Big Digital theater. However when we left there was nice crowd lining up for the next showing.
I was able to follow the story just fine.
I did like how the women were portrayed. I found it refreshing. Husband joked that 'It wasn't a real Star Trek movie! Kirk didn't flirt with the alien woman!" He was being sarcastic...he liked it.
My only complaint was we saw it in 3D and the dark scenes inside the ship were really dark as in I had to take my glasses off to see what was going on. I'm going to have to see it again in 2D.
Thumbs up from me.
There were only about twenty people in the theater this morning but we did go at a weird time (husband hates crowds) and we were in a huge stadium Big Digital theater. However when we left there was nice crowd lining up for the next showing.
I was able to follow the story just fine.
I did like how the women were portrayed. I found it refreshing. Husband joked that 'It wasn't a real Star Trek movie! Kirk didn't flirt with the alien woman!" He was being sarcastic...he liked it.
My only complaint was we saw it in 3D and the dark scenes inside the ship were really dark as in I had to take my glasses off to see what was going on. I'm going to have to see it again in 2D.
Thumbs up from me.
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You have easily the most representation in this and all other Trek movies, and you're claiming victim status? C'mon now. When you think equality is more about removing your benefits instead of granting and sharing them with another group, that's privilege.
I sincerely wonder about the proportion of white male posters on this thread who called you out on this, too, of which I'm going to bet is pretty sizeable given the demographics of the fanbase. It doesn't mean they hate or apologize for being themselves, but rather recognizing where they stand at the top of the heap in representation and want to see others join them. But to do so is to challenge and call out discrimination openly.
How does Star Trek have a bad record here? There are many great female characters which could be in a star trek video game. Captain Janeway basically carrying an entire show. Shelby who nearly replaced Riker, the borg queen who was the best villain, Doctor Crusher who slapped Wesley across the face, Tasha Yarr who was bad ass in multiple incarnations. That's back in the 80's and 90's.
There is a whole lot or projection going on here onto his comment. It's like many want project onto what he said so it can be argued against, even though he said we're all human. It is very easy to set up and "win" an argument like that.
Counting the male/female ratio in a movie is discriminating and sexist. Period.
I know better than to tell you what I think of you ... because it's not in my nature to insult people, and because it would be against the board rules.
In fairness though, you're listing characters last seen 15 - 25 years ago. Donatra was less developed than Shelby, and Marcus was kind of forgettable. So even if Trek isn't bad, it stumbled and has room for improvement.
I don't claim any victim status, I was just sarcastically responding to the poster I quoted. I really couldn't care less about gender or skin color.
Women are a pretty big group! It's a good place to start. I read somewhere that women only make up about 20% of crowd scenes. Bonkers.
I generally only count the women in the publicity material. If women are sparse enough that I notice, it bothers me but I don't go through it frame by frame lol. I'm not a nutter. But even I could see that Star Wars has been a little... light on women. Star Trek is not as bad but has been way behind the curve on gender equality for decades and in these reboot movies in particular. I can recall only three admirals in speaking roles in 50 years but there may have been others (correct me if I'm wrong). I was complimenting them on upping their game. That's a positive step.
By McGuffin I mean the Nemesis style disintegration doomsday weapon, the plot device everyone is after, rather than any of the characters.
EDIT: Ah, someone got in there first to explain that...
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