So in the Royal Navy an Admiral with no command experience can take over command of a ship?
What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!
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How does that make the Royal Navy better?
Oh yes... Happens all the time in fact. My old man was in The Andrew and has told me of a number of occasions where the Admiral would take command... Including going to Procedure Alpha to enter port - for no reason at all. He was the Admiral, he was the highest rank onboard, it was an order... It was carried out
Whilst I believe it is possible for a USN Admiral to get Flag Rank without a command position, all Royal navy Admirals MUST HAVE sea time in command
Well, we don't sink Japanese civilian ships for a start...
And our subs are better
And we don't surrender our ships to what amounts to small arms fire
Which doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of a ship's chain of command In addition, as has been argued in other threads, there is apparently Command training in Starfleet, which has been compared to line officers in the US. Navy. Scotty, being an engineer, would not necessarily move directly in to the ship's chain of command, and Scotty doesn't strike me as the kind of person to push his rank around.
My guess is they just came up with some random correlation. Though to be honest it would've made more sense even narrative-wise for it to be a 10 or 15 year trip back.
Well he was trying to order somebody to get him a towel
That doesn't sound nearly as dire
It was more of a question, and to a superior officer I might add.
Also, one of my favorite scenes
Depends on if he was directing it to Spock
Since Spock was the one addressing him at the time, I would be inclined to think that. Again, not an order either, but a request
That doesn't sound nearly as dire
It doesn't have to be, and it gives more reason for people like Seska to want to take control (especially if they start finding shortcuts home): If it's not going to be such a long voyage back and they will all live to see home then do they really need one another?
Maybe the presence of high densities of dark matter make certain trips longer.
And it didn't work.
Do they really need one another anyway? This isn't being facetious but a legitimate question. There were several episodes were Voyager (and other Starfleet vessels) were run with a skeleton crew. So, the broader question has to become what pressing need is there to save all of the crewmembers, beyond the humanitarian ones?
They kept saying they needed them all to get the ship to work...but frankly that came off as an empty excuse. They really did need to address just why they kept everyone on board.
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Yes, they did. Missed opportunity, in my opinion, but hardly an error. More a facet of the production at the time.
Though, "Year of Hell" end up putting that point right under the microscope as only 7 crewmembers were left, including Tuvok who was blind, and they kept the ship going.
Yes, they did. Missed opportunity, in my opinion, but hardly an error. More a facet of the production at the time.
Though, "Year of Hell" end up putting that point right under the microscope as only 7 crewmembers were left, including Tuvok who was blind, and they kept the ship going.
Maybe even less in an extreme case as Janeway once had the ship evacuated and I think the entire ship did so except for the senior staff and a couple of members of the duty Bridge watch
Sure, Scotty is the chief engineer, but he also has command training. Even if most engineers might not be in the chain of command, Scotty is.
Another example would be Ben Sisko. He was an engineer before he took command training and moved into the chain of command. So engineers can be commanders if they want to. Maybe not all do, but Scotty and Sisko were.
My point being that Scotty, at the time of the Trek 09, was not the ship's chief engineer, command training or not. He was not in the Enterprise's chain of command, though he certainly could have asserted his authority to take command had Spock been relieved after assaulting Kirk, and Kirk put in the brig for being in the fight.
In no way should my post be taken as "Scotty can't command!" as that is not my point.
In no way should my post be taken as "Scotty can't command!" as that is not my point.
I think it's more an issue of grey matter.
Scott may have had problems of his own. He was AWOL from his post on Delta Vega.
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