Abraham is nuts! Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion
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I counted a minimum of 20 dead, which by all rights should constitute severe attrition-- but it depends on how many Negan actually had. For more than 100 Saviors that's a hard blow, but no more than that. And I think we're going to find that the enemy is a lot bigger than they thought.
I couldn't identify everyone on Carol's list. Who was the first initial, before K&D? And there was a line after Terminus, "candle something", that I couldn't make out.
Is it a hard blow? There's just no way any sensible person would think that little raid hurt the Saviors. ...and if that was not a poor strategy, they end up with Maggie and Carol kidnapped right out of the gates.
Agreed.
If it said "candle," could it refer to the candle room at Terminus--which would mean Mary?
Sure it hurt them, like a slap to the face. Losing that many people at once would require reallocation of watches, duty shifts, local gang leaders, etc. Plus the loss of personal friends and connections. They also don't have any more tribute coming in from Hilltop, although they haven't realized that yet. Loss of resources does hurt. The Saviors will feel it.
But I'm not arguing anything like chopping off a limb here. It hasn't hurt them like that.
Yes, they confirmed it on Talking Dead after I wrote that.
Really good episode for the most part.. Gritty and tense. Could feel the emotion, especially from Glen.
The issue of Carol smoking bugs me though. It's a lazy plot device to convey angst and strife. To the best of my knowledge, she's never been seen smoking before. Non smokers don't suddenly smoke when they are stressed out. If she used to, that's one thing, maybe.. But it's SO overused in TV and movies, showing non-smoking characters suddenly doing it. Maybe there was reference to it somewhere, so I'll have to watch again.
The issue of Carol smoking bugs me though. It's a lazy plot device to convey angst and strife. To the best of my knowledge, she's never been seen smoking before. Non smokers don't suddenly smoke when they are stressed out. If she used to, that's one thing, maybe.. But it's SO overused in TV and movies, showing non-smoking characters suddenly doing it. Maybe there was reference to it somewhere, so I'll have to watch again.
Regardless, it's worth it to hear "those things will kill you" on a show like this.
Okay, time for some perspective.
Negan didn't lose just twenty guys in the raid. He lost a base. Maybe not THE base, but a place where he quartered troops and did business is now lost to him for as long as it takes for him to take it back. The land lost is part of the attrition. It wouldn't be a severe blow if they killed twenty guys and there were eighty more in the same building on the same grounds. They killed twenty guys and all that was left was maybe four to take Maggie and Carol. That was a significant blow, no matter how some of you want to sour the achievement.
Negan didn't lose just twenty guys in the raid. He lost a base. Maybe not THE base, but a place where he quartered troops and did business is now lost to him for as long as it takes for him to take it back. The land lost is part of the attrition. It wouldn't be a severe blow if they killed twenty guys and there were eighty more in the same building on the same grounds. They killed twenty guys and all that was left was maybe four to take Maggie and Carol. That was a significant blow, no matter how some of you want to sour the achievement.
Remember when Carol was complaining about smoking inside the house and that woman eventually started smoking outside and then got eaten?
It's an extension of that.
It's an extension of that.
Cheers.
"I fear that we have done nothing more than to awaken a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve."
I'm not saying that slaughtering a bunch of murderous thugs was the wrong thing to do, but all during Rick's address at the church, I was flashing back to The Governor's "we have to get them before they get us" speech from a few seasons back.
I'm not saying that slaughtering a bunch of murderous thugs was the wrong thing to do, but all during Rick's address at the church, I was flashing back to The Governor's "we have to get them before they get us" speech from a few seasons back.
My guess is that was just one of Negan's many bases. I've never read the comics so that's just speculation.
The opening scene reminded me of the first scene in the third season premiere of Lost that had Juliet baking muffins.
The opening scene reminded me of the first scene in the third season premiere of Lost that had Juliet baking muffins.
If Daryl and the others hadn't met the Saviors on the road already, I'd suspect that they were exactly in the same role. Actually that's probably the reason the encounter was included: to reassure us that wasn't the case. Rick's group may not do this the right way, but we know there are valid reasons for doing it.
I really liked this episode. It was interesting seeing these self-proclaimed badasses that is their only role is to fuck shit up get cold feet when they actually have to do some dirty work involving the living. The Polaroids featuring Lucille's handiwork were pretty brutal. I loved seeing Father Gabriel finally pulling his weight and not being such a pussy.
Only two eye-rolling scenes. The first was Abraham leaving Rosita for no reason
I thought for sure when he smiled while getting choked out in the last episode he was going to finally use his Bisquick to make her some pancakes.
The second was Rick knowing that they had to completely wipe Negan's complex off the map so any potential blowback didn't come back to Alexandria. How the fuck did they miss the guy on Daryl's motorcycle? Did they not do a room to room to make sure the complex was clear? I realize it doesn't matter because the red head already had Carol and Maggie, but it seems amateurish to not make sure all of Negan's men were dead.
Only two eye-rolling scenes. The first was Abraham leaving Rosita for no reason
I thought for sure when he smiled while getting choked out in the last episode he was going to finally use his Bisquick to make her some pancakes.The second was Rick knowing that they had to completely wipe Negan's complex off the map so any potential blowback didn't come back to Alexandria. How the fuck did they miss the guy on Daryl's motorcycle? Did they not do a room to room to make sure the complex was clear? I realize it doesn't matter because the red head already had Carol and Maggie, but it seems amateurish to not make sure all of Negan's men were dead.
Great episode. Plenty of suspense and anxiety brimming through it.
I find it hard to believe that the rest of the saviours are in the same location because if they were, they'd surely come out, all guns blazing. It's clearly just one of their locations and some perimeter guards snatched Maggie and Carol and took them away once it was clear the satellite place was lost.
I think Rick's best option is to act as if Maggie and Carol mean nothing to him and he'll just come looking for them and slaughter them regardless. That probably won't happen though.
It's worth noting though, that the saviours don't know that Carol and Maggie aren't damsels in distress. They may have kidnapped the wrong people.
I find it hard to believe that the rest of the saviours are in the same location because if they were, they'd surely come out, all guns blazing. It's clearly just one of their locations and some perimeter guards snatched Maggie and Carol and took them away once it was clear the satellite place was lost.
I think Rick's best option is to act as if Maggie and Carol mean nothing to him and he'll just come looking for them and slaughter them regardless. That probably won't happen though.
It's worth noting though, that the saviours don't know that Carol and Maggie aren't damsels in distress. They may have kidnapped the wrong people.
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