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‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

And bodyshaming prominent women is nothing new either, unfortunately.
That's an odd thing to say. This sounds like something high-school kids do to nerds. I don't think it's accurate to imply the BvS actors could actually be made to feel shame by random internet fans discussing their ideal hero appearance.

That's an odd misunderstanding of what the word "shaming" means. It means the assertion that something should be a source of shame, whether it actually causes shame or not. It's quite routine for female celebrities -- women in general, really -- to be criticized for being too fat or too thin or too busty or not busty enough or whatever. And body-shaming is a well-known name for that practice. It's odd that you haven't heard it.
 
It's worth keeping in mind that fighters like WW, and Batman are supposed to be able to fight and move. If you get real big and bulky you can barely even move, so if the characters are going to doing a lot of running and moving when they fight then they can't be to big.

That's not an across the board fact. Captain America's Chris Evans is very built and is quite flexible / fast, and performs believable stunts.

I find some (not meaning you) fighting against the very muscular superhero (which has more than 60 years in the comic source) coming from some revisionist desire to make those who are supposed to be larger than life in every sense watered down to weak, average people in appearance. They seem to resent muscular characters. That was one of the motivations behind casting Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman, and it was a farce, as that short, thinning-haired, weak-faced, non-muscular man was the complete opposite of every illustrated version of the character up to that point in history.

Of course, Tim Burton (in one of his 1989 interviews promoting his Batman film) was critical of (in his words) the "square-jawed hero," so he--with his obsession with odd and/or misfit characters--tried to turn Batman into something he was never meant to be.

Comic characters are not the cast of Big Bang Theory. They are more than the man on the street, which was part of their appeal from the dawn of superhero comic characters. Removing that defining visual screams of some rather warped social engineering at work, rather than trying to make the fantastic elements of the comic come alive in an adaptation.
 
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as that short, thinning-haired, weak-faced, non-muscular man was the complete opposite of every illustrated version of the character up to that point in history.

None of which had any impact on the quality of the film outside of making some people cry, "BUT HE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE DID IN THE COMICS
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as that short, thinning-haired, weak-faced, non-muscular man was the complete opposite of every illustrated version of the character up to that point in history.

None of which had any impact on the quality of the film outside of making some people cry, "BUT HE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE DID IN THE COMICS
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In your opinion, but I also recall people loving Bale's look because they thought he actually looked like the comic version, and believable in the role, as opposed to weak Keaton.
 
And bodyshaming prominent women is nothing new either, unfortunately.

That's an odd thing to say. This sounds like something high-school kids do to nerds.

Clearly you've missed the Internet's outrage over the casting of the upcoming Ghostbusters remake.

Well, I would expect that a remake of a cult classic would cause backlash. I've never seen the original movie though, so I certainly haven't paid much attention to a remake.

And bodyshaming prominent women is nothing new either, unfortunately.
That's an odd thing to say. This sounds like something high-school kids do to nerds. I don't think it's accurate to imply the BvS actors could actually be made to feel shame by random internet fans discussing their ideal hero appearance.

That's an odd misunderstanding of what the word "shaming" means. It means the assertion that something should be a source of shame, whether it actually causes shame or not. It's quite routine for female celebrities -- women in general, really -- to be criticized for being too fat or too thin or too busty or not busty enough or whatever. And body-shaming is a well-known name for that practice. It's odd that you haven't heard it.

Sounds like no big deal then. Shaming sounds personal to me, but it's just people yelling their opinions into the void like the rest of us jerks.

It's worth keeping in mind that fighters like WW, and Batman are supposed to be able to fight and move. If you get real big and bulky you can barely even move, so if the characters are going to doing a lot of running and moving when they fight then they can't be to big.

That's not an across the board fact. Captain America's Chris Evans is very built and is quite flexible / fast who performs believable stunts.

Yeah, I'm not sure where the false idea that super buff people can't be agile comes from. Fighting games maybe? Real life has balance issues!

I find some (not meaning you) fighting against the very muscular superhero (which has more than 60 years in the comic source) coming from some revisionist desire to make those who are supposed to be larger than life in every sense watered down to weak, average people in appearance. They seem to resent muscular characters.

I don't know, that seems a bit conspiratorial. Different tastes are not a big deal unless someone actively looks to intentionally propagandize one thing over another.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure where the false idea that super buff people can't be agile comes from.

Since basic observation disproves that false idea, one would lean toward the conclusion that the advocates of the "muscular = inflexible" base their opinion on a negative view, instead of facts.

Additionally, anyone who watched Ferrigno in The Incredible Hulk TV series saw a world class body builder often contort his body for the numerous, incredible feats demanded of the Hulk. He was not just flexing and pushing objects over.


I don't know, that seems a bit conspiratorial. Different tastes are not a big deal unless someone actively looks to intentionally propagandize one thing over another.
When visual evidence clearly stands on the opposite of the "muscular = inflexible" myth, what is the motivator of that belief?
 
In any event I'm sure the battle with Doomsday will epic and huge, unlike the rather lackluster "battle" we saw on Smallville with their verison of Doomsday. And it looks like Wonder Woman will be in on the major action.
 
Despite my post.. I actually agree.. I personally find super muscular-looking WW drawings to not be as appealing to me as where she simply simply looks thin and athletic. I guess I'm so used to all the fact that in the last twenty years she was drawn as being much stronger.

But that's just what I've been saying -- more big and bulgey does not equal stronger. Strength training and bulk training are two entirely different regimens with different goals; people who train for strength will not be as bulky as people who bulk up their muscles to pose onstage. Comic books for the past few decades have chosen the wrong model for depicting powerful characters, going more for fetishistic exaggeration than realistic portrayals of athleticism.

I don't think it's really fetishistic, it's visual shorthand. Superman could of course be a twiggy man & still bench-press a planet, but the visual cue of superman is supposed to imply incredible strength - so he's super muscular. Plus I think your general audience would have trouble accepting the fantasy concept of super-strength without some sort of grounding in actual real life strength. It's the same reason Orcs don't look like accountants. There is also the self insert escapism that every superhero is, but even without that they keep the muscles on power players. (ex. super ugly or evil characters like Darksied, Doomsday)



I don't think that critics are saying she's not strong & the strength of the critics isn't really relevant.

It's worth keeping in mind that fighters like WW, and Batman are supposed to be able to fight and move. If you get real big and bulky you can barely even move, so if the characters are going to doing a lot of running and moving when they fight then they can't be to big. Not to mention WW most likely rode horses in Themyscira, and I'm pretty sure you can't be huge and ride horses. I guess you could be bigger if you rode nothing but huge draft horses, but that seems unlikely in this case.

Knights used to wear full iron suits of armor w/ shield, lance, etc. Now maybe a woman warrior would go for the speed & maneuverability, but I assure you that muscular people can definitely ride a horse just fine & their stamina is just as good as a lean fighter.
Sure, but you the knights rode, big, specially bred and trained warhorses.
I think Gal Gadot looks great as Wonder Woman. She obviously hit the gym a lot for this part.

Also, it's an old myth that being more muscular makes you "musclebound" and less flexible and agile. That was debunked pretty well back when Jack LaLanne was at his most muscular in his bodybuilding days of the 1940s and 1950s and doing handstand pushups and demonstrating the flexibility of a gymnast.

Unless you are at an unnatural level of muscularity due to steroids, growth hormone, insulin abuse, etc, then there's really nothing to worry about there.

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Exactly, it's only people who are muscular through unnatural means who end up like a muscle statue.

It's worth keeping in mind that fighters like WW, and Batman are supposed to be able to fight and move. If you get real big and bulky you can barely even move, so if the characters are going to doing a lot of running and moving when they fight then they can't be to big.

That's not an across the board fact. Captain America's Chris Evans is very built and is quite flexible / fast, and performs believable stunts.

I find some (not meaning you) fighting against the very muscular superhero (which has more than 60 years in the comic source) coming from some revisionist desire to make those who are supposed to be larger than life in every sense watered down to weak, average people in appearance. They seem to resent muscular characters. That was one of the motivations behind casting Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman, and it was a farce, as that short, thinning-haired, weak-faced, non-muscular man was the complete opposite of every illustrated version of the character up to that point in history.

Of course, Tim Burton (in one of his 1989 interviews promoting his Batman film) was critical of (in his words) the "square-jawed hero," so he--with his obsession with odd and/or misfit characters--tried to turn Batman into something he was never meant to be.

Comic characters are not the cast of Big Bang Theory. They are more than the man on the street, which was part of their appeal from the dawn of superhero comic characters. Removing that defining visual screams of some rather warped social engineering at work, rather than trying to make the fantastic elements of the comic come alive in an adaptation.
You guys seem to be thinking I'm saying they can't be muscular at all, and that is not at all what I'm saying. I'm just saying that they don't have to look like real life Rob Lefield drawing. You guys are completely blowing every thing I'm saying completely out of proportion. Just because I don't want every superhero to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, doesn't mean I want them to look like Jim Parsons. As for why I think huge bodybuilder types can't move as well as smaller, athletic people, it's because I've seen the way big people move, compared to the way smaller people move. When you see one of these huge super buff people on American Ninja Warrior, they fall on their face and you also don't see them competing in Olympic footraces or gymnastics.
 
Some interesting quotes from an interview

In an interview with French magazine Premiere (via Heroic Hollywood), Batman v Superman production designer Patrick Tatopoulous spoke a bit about the introduction to one of Superman’s most formidable opponents. The trailer confirmed previous rumors about the creation of Doomsday and his connection to Lex Luthor and Zod, and Tatopoulous reiterates that a bit here (with some slight grammatical errors due to translation):
"We are able to tell a story in a fresh way. Doomsday is an evolution essentially. Fans may be aware of the death of Superman story, but this is handled in such a new way. When the film is called Batman v or versus Superman, it really has a lot of levels to the meaning. Superman isn’t just killed off at the end of something. We see how he evolves as part of Lex’s plan to protect the world."
"Seeing the Superman we know, be gone, and then replaced with this reproduction is really going to make fans think of how we look at these super beings. It was especially interesting to figure out, how would you create Superman from Zod… then how would that involve into Doomsday."
Superman fans are well-versed in Doomsday’s destructive and deadly potential, and given the source material and the ending of that trailer, it’s easy to assume that the battle will be part of the film’s big finale — but Tatopoulos cautions otherwise:
"Doomsday isn’t just the final act. Those feeling they may know too much this early, are going to be in for a true surprise."
 
In any event I'm sure the battle with Doomsday will epic and huge, unlike the rather lackluster "battle" we saw on Smallville with their verison of Doomsday. And it looks like Wonder Woman will be in on the major action.

That 2-move Smallville battle is infamous in my home for how disappointed it left me. I saw the last BvS trailer with my sister, and she immediately said, "Looks like you're finally getting that Doomsday fight you wanted!"
 
2 hours and 20 minutes is a common length of superhero movies now.

Avengers 1 +2
Man of Steel
Captain America TWS
Spider-Man 2,3,The Amazing Spider-Man and TASM2
Batman Begins


Longer movies would be
Superman Returns 2 hours and 35 minutes
Watchmen 3 hours and 3 hours and 30 minutes extended cut
The Dark Knight 2 hours and 30 minutes
The Dark Knight Rises 2 hours and 45 minutes
X-Men Days of Future Past 2 hours and 38 minutes
X-Men Apocalypse is slated to be longer than DOFP. As a sort of wrap up to both X trilogies.

The Thor movies, Iron Man trilogy and GOTG are all around the 2 hour range.


For Batman v Superman, I think 2 hours and 30 minutes is a laudable amount of time to tell their story and set up JL Part 1.
 
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